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		<title>By: Hagel and Warner Sell Out on Iraq - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<description>[...] The Senate Republicans blocked debate on resolutions which oppose the escalation of the Iraq War. Among those voting for the filibuster were Chuck Hagel, who has spoken out against the war, and John Warner, who even co-sponsored one of the resolutions under consideration which would put the Senate on record opposing the surge and calling for a diplomatic initiative to settle the conflict. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Senate Republicans blocked debate on resolutions which oppose the escalation of the Iraq War. Among those voting for the filibuster were Chuck Hagel, who has spoken out against the war, and John Warner, who even co-sponsored one of the resolutions under consideration which would put the Senate on record opposing the surge and calling for a diplomatic initiative to settle the conflict. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hagel Explains Role of Congress to Dick Cheney - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hagel Explains Role of Congress to Dick Cheney - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week Chuck Hagel explained the realities of the war to Joe Lieberman. Today he responded to Dick Cheney&#8217;s stock attack on Face the Nation (hat tip to Think Progress): SCHEIFFER: Let me ask you this, Senator. Vice President Cheney says this sort of thing undercuts the troops. What’s your response? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week Chuck Hagel explained the realities of the war to Joe Lieberman. Today he responded to Dick Cheney&#8217;s stock attack on Face the Nation (hat tip to Think Progress): SCHEIFFER: Let me ask you this, Senator. Vice President Cheney says this sort of thing undercuts the troops. What’s your response? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Probus</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=893&#038;cpage=1#comment-19847</link>
		<dc:creator>Probus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a key difference between the Bosnian conflict and the Iraq war. In the Bosnian war, we went in with our allies to stop ethnic cleansing. Our presence didn&#039;t escalate the civil war. In Iraq, we launch a preemptive attack on a country that didn&#039;t attack us. There was no threat to our national security and Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11. Also, our presence in Iraq is fueling the insurgency and the civil war which didn&#039;t exist before we went in. Contrary to what Vice President Cheney said the insurgency was not in its last throes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a key difference between the Bosnian conflict and the Iraq war. In the Bosnian war, we went in with our allies to stop ethnic cleansing. Our presence didn&#8217;t escalate the civil war. In Iraq, we launch a preemptive attack on a country that didn&#8217;t attack us. There was no threat to our national security and Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11. Also, our presence in Iraq is fueling the insurgency and the civil war which didn&#8217;t exist before we went in. Contrary to what Vice President Cheney said the insurgency was not in its last throes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=893&#038;cpage=1#comment-19772</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K,

The underlying issue is that we went into the situation without a plan to prevent such violence from occuring when this situation was widely predicted before the war. The presence of American troops further inflames the situation and escalating the war is counterproductive.

The situation in Bosnia was quite difference and your analogy does not hold up.

This is not just the opinion of opponents of the war. As Hagel pointed out, &quot;The two top American generals in Iraq in November and December, the last 60 days, both in open testimony and interviews took exactly the opposite approach of what President Bush was talking about on Wednesday night.&quot; Other posts here have also cited others who also agree that Bush&#039;s current policy is as bad a folly as his initial policy in Iraq.</description>
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<p>The underlying issue is that we went into the situation without a plan to prevent such violence from occuring when this situation was widely predicted before the war. The presence of American troops further inflames the situation and escalating the war is counterproductive.</p>
<p>The situation in Bosnia was quite difference and your analogy does not hold up.</p>
<p>This is not just the opinion of opponents of the war. As Hagel pointed out, &#8220;The two top American generals in Iraq in November and December, the last 60 days, both in open testimony and interviews took exactly the opposite approach of what President Bush was talking about on Wednesday night.&#8221; Other posts here have also cited others who also agree that Bush&#8217;s current policy is as bad a folly as his initial policy in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Robert Gates</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=893&#038;cpage=1#comment-19742</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Robert Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOOK OUT HERE COMES TOMORROW

Contrary to what George W. Bush, claims, our&#039; Congress&#039; can take the war in Iraq, and any further warfare away from him, and it is in fact our&#039; responsibilty, as Americans, to do so. As, George W. Bush&#039; and company, are presently the persons, really running a war by committee, as just because, you call it, a cabinet, instead of a committee, does not mean it is not still, as it is yet: a group called a committee, of which, attempts to run a war, on information, not gathered, by themselves, on a battlefield.

From, now on we need to let our&#039; Congresss&#039; give any warfare needs directly to our&#039; military to handle, as they see fit, directly, at the source: the battlefield.

Also, we need to do this, giving the military, the warfare issue in Iraq, as we need to end this left-right, up-down, in-out, black-white, wrong-right and liberal-conservative divide, in our&#039; Congress&#039;. As, there are a million things needing handling, here at home, going unattended, whilst&#039; those in our&#039; Congress&#039; argue politics, instead of governing their territories, and metting the needs of thier contituency. Trying to straddle this divide and cover only extreme left-right positions, leaves all middle ground open, as if it does not exist. By, keeping political debate focused only on these extreme left-right positions, in debate, these pseudo-Christian, lame-duck, right wing conspiracy, Bush&#039; league people keep any needs, and wants, of all people from being met. Remove, the illusionist&#039;s veil from your&#039; eyes, and take notice, we are a country, of a lot of people, and there is a lot going on, we need to deal with as a whole, you, me and they, and our&#039; entire government and Congress, need to take back the land, so we Americans, can once again live off of our&#039; own land.

We&#039; need to make sure, as many American&#039;s, as possible, no longer face a tomorrow, as they do today, as, involuntary crime victims, not just as involuntary terror victims. It is, successfully, argueable, all crime is a terror attack, no matter how much more fun being Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, seems, compared, to fighting on foreign soil, as like, was done is, Iwo Jima. I no longer watch movies that glorify and romanticize crime, as having done the crime, and done the time, I tell those still thinking Butch is a fun guy, &quot;You are wrong! I met him, in jail, and trust me Butch, is not a fun guy, and neither is commiting crime and doing time.&quot;

Copyright 2007, Mark Robert Gates

please my blogs:

http://lokieponaphoenix.blogspot.com/
http://wellnessempowered.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOOK OUT HERE COMES TOMORROW</p>
<p>Contrary to what George W. Bush, claims, our&#8217; Congress&#8217; can take the war in Iraq, and any further warfare away from him, and it is in fact our&#8217; responsibilty, as Americans, to do so. As, George W. Bush&#8217; and company, are presently the persons, really running a war by committee, as just because, you call it, a cabinet, instead of a committee, does not mean it is not still, as it is yet: a group called a committee, of which, attempts to run a war, on information, not gathered, by themselves, on a battlefield.</p>
<p>From, now on we need to let our&#8217; Congresss&#8217; give any warfare needs directly to our&#8217; military to handle, as they see fit, directly, at the source: the battlefield.</p>
<p>Also, we need to do this, giving the military, the warfare issue in Iraq, as we need to end this left-right, up-down, in-out, black-white, wrong-right and liberal-conservative divide, in our&#8217; Congress&#8217;. As, there are a million things needing handling, here at home, going unattended, whilst&#8217; those in our&#8217; Congress&#8217; argue politics, instead of governing their territories, and metting the needs of thier contituency. Trying to straddle this divide and cover only extreme left-right positions, leaves all middle ground open, as if it does not exist. By, keeping political debate focused only on these extreme left-right positions, in debate, these pseudo-Christian, lame-duck, right wing conspiracy, Bush&#8217; league people keep any needs, and wants, of all people from being met. Remove, the illusionist&#8217;s veil from your&#8217; eyes, and take notice, we are a country, of a lot of people, and there is a lot going on, we need to deal with as a whole, you, me and they, and our&#8217; entire government and Congress, need to take back the land, so we Americans, can once again live off of our&#8217; own land.</p>
<p>We&#8217; need to make sure, as many American&#8217;s, as possible, no longer face a tomorrow, as they do today, as, involuntary crime victims, not just as involuntary terror victims. It is, successfully, argueable, all crime is a terror attack, no matter how much more fun being Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, seems, compared, to fighting on foreign soil, as like, was done is, Iwo Jima. I no longer watch movies that glorify and romanticize crime, as having done the crime, and done the time, I tell those still thinking Butch is a fun guy, &#8220;You are wrong! I met him, in jail, and trust me Butch, is not a fun guy, and neither is commiting crime and doing time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Copyright 2007, Mark Robert Gates</p>
<p>please my blogs:</p>
<p><a href="http://lokieponaphoenix.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lokieponaphoenix.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://wellnessempowered.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://wellnessempowered.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=893&#038;cpage=1#comment-19581</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hate seeing people use what they know to try to justify crap.  Yes, its Iraqis killing Iraqis.  Yes, its Sunni killing Shiites.  But that does NOT necessarily mean that our involvement is hopeless and that we should let them all go kill each other.  If that were true, why&#039;d we ever get involved in Bosnia?

The Iraqis who truly want the violence to stop are supporting the new plan.  The ones who support militias or sectarian agendas are the ones complaining about it.  Says something about what they think will happen, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate seeing people use what they know to try to justify crap.  Yes, its Iraqis killing Iraqis.  Yes, its Sunni killing Shiites.  But that does NOT necessarily mean that our involvement is hopeless and that we should let them all go kill each other.  If that were true, why&#8217;d we ever get involved in Bosnia?</p>
<p>The Iraqis who truly want the violence to stop are supporting the new plan.  The ones who support militias or sectarian agendas are the ones complaining about it.  Says something about what they think will happen, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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