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		<title>By: Eclectic Radical</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215095</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 10:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;fascist&#039; label started really being trundled out by Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter in the 1990s, which is sort of a pot-kettle thing at best. The convoluted reasoning behind it is that liberals supposedly want to force everyone else to think like we do and speak and play nice with others whether they like it or not. Forcing states to recognize the civil rights of women or homosexuals or minorities, or preventing individuals from practicing discrimination and harassment and advocating equal pay for equal work is all horribly repressive and violates the rights of those who deserve to be free to discriminate, harass, etc. Depriving of that hard earned freedom is clearly fascist.

Past conservatives (notably Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater) have speculated about whether or not it is appropriate for the government to enforce integration in violation of the personal freedoms of its opponents, but it is important to note they did not oppose firm government enforcement of equal voting rights and protection of individual civil liberties and that their consideration of the issue was an ongoing process. Goldwater, for instance, finally came to the conclusion that individual civil rights for every citizen justified government action against citizens choosing to deny those rights to others. The conservative positions on these issues was far more nuanced and thoughtful (far more similar to many liberal positions on abortion than to today&#039;s conservative positions on, say, gay rights) than those advanced by the right to day. Barry Goldwater had the same problem of nuanced thought and constant evaluation of his own positions that caused modern conservatives to condemn Al Gore and John Kerry as &#039;flip-floppers&#039;, for instance. Though they held or considered positions on which the contemporary claim of liberal fascism is based, such past conservatives believed they were serving a place in the greater political dialogue while today&#039;s conservatives seek to own the dialogue.

So while the idea that government protection of the natural rights of citizens violates the natural rights of the citizens from which they need to be protected is not new, they idea that it somehow a Nazi-esque threat to freedom for all is very new and not consistent with similar conservative positions of the past. It&#039;s a sign of just how far the self-appointed heirs of Taft and Goldwater really are from their genuine roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;fascist&#8217; label started really being trundled out by Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter in the 1990s, which is sort of a pot-kettle thing at best. The convoluted reasoning behind it is that liberals supposedly want to force everyone else to think like we do and speak and play nice with others whether they like it or not. Forcing states to recognize the civil rights of women or homosexuals or minorities, or preventing individuals from practicing discrimination and harassment and advocating equal pay for equal work is all horribly repressive and violates the rights of those who deserve to be free to discriminate, harass, etc. Depriving of that hard earned freedom is clearly fascist.</p>
<p>Past conservatives (notably Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater) have speculated about whether or not it is appropriate for the government to enforce integration in violation of the personal freedoms of its opponents, but it is important to note they did not oppose firm government enforcement of equal voting rights and protection of individual civil liberties and that their consideration of the issue was an ongoing process. Goldwater, for instance, finally came to the conclusion that individual civil rights for every citizen justified government action against citizens choosing to deny those rights to others. The conservative positions on these issues was far more nuanced and thoughtful (far more similar to many liberal positions on abortion than to today&#8217;s conservative positions on, say, gay rights) than those advanced by the right to day. Barry Goldwater had the same problem of nuanced thought and constant evaluation of his own positions that caused modern conservatives to condemn Al Gore and John Kerry as &#8216;flip-floppers&#8217;, for instance. Though they held or considered positions on which the contemporary claim of liberal fascism is based, such past conservatives believed they were serving a place in the greater political dialogue while today&#8217;s conservatives seek to own the dialogue.</p>
<p>So while the idea that government protection of the natural rights of citizens violates the natural rights of the citizens from which they need to be protected is not new, they idea that it somehow a Nazi-esque threat to freedom for all is very new and not consistent with similar conservative positions of the past. It&#8217;s a sign of just how far the self-appointed heirs of Taft and Goldwater really are from their genuine roots.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215092</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 04:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>senevada,

As bizarre as it sounds for Eric to be calling the left fascists, you probably don&#039;t know how bizarre it gets (unless you have read Eric&#039;s other writings). Eric, while labeling himself a libertarian, has supported what amounts to a military dictatorship which would deny civil liberties to anyone who opposes the war on &quot;Islamo-fascism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>senevada,</p>
<p>As bizarre as it sounds for Eric to be calling the left fascists, you probably don&#8217;t know how bizarre it gets (unless you have read Eric&#8217;s other writings). Eric, while labeling himself a libertarian, has supported what amounts to a military dictatorship which would deny civil liberties to anyone who opposes the war on &#8220;Islamo-fascism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hume's Ghost</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215090</link>
		<dc:creator>Hume's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 02:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hit enter by accident before I was finished. Turn on AM radio and listen for a few minutes and the lies will pile so high you won&#039;t be able to keep up with them. I once heard - and I&#039;m not making this up - Rush Limbaugh telling his audience that carrots are deadlier than second hand smoke and/or trans fats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hit enter by accident before I was finished. Turn on AM radio and listen for a few minutes and the lies will pile so high you won&#8217;t be able to keep up with them. I once heard &#8211; and I&#8217;m not making this up &#8211; Rush Limbaugh telling his audience that carrots are deadlier than second hand smoke and/or trans fats.</p>
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		<title>By: Hume</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215089</link>
		<dc:creator>Hume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 02:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawkins: &quot;...we don’t have to become liars ...&quot;

Correct. Because you already ARE liars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawkins: &#8220;&#8230;we don’t have to become liars &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct. Because you already ARE liars.</p>
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		<title>By: senevada</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215087</link>
		<dc:creator>senevada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with calling the left fascists? Does no one bother to look up the definition of the word? </description>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the journalists who write about Bristol Palin should be exposed!

People Magazine and Greta Van Sustern must be shaking in their boots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the journalists who write about Bristol Palin should be exposed!</p>
<p>People Magazine and Greta Van Sustern must be shaking in their boots.</p>
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		<title>By: navamske</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215079</link>
		<dc:creator>navamske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ok, throw in Lee Atwater instead of Dick Tuck, although that’s not who I originally had in mind. Maybe I was thinking of someone else and got the names wrong.&quot;

Murray Chotiner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ok, throw in Lee Atwater instead of Dick Tuck, although that’s not who I originally had in mind. Maybe I was thinking of someone else and got the names wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Murray Chotiner.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215078</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 22:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the right wing has decided it&#039;s time to bring the war home and recruit the returning soldiers as their brownshirts, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the right wing has decided it&#8217;s time to bring the war home and recruit the returning soldiers as their brownshirts, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: noncarborundum</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215077</link>
		<dc:creator>noncarborundum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The word you probably wanted to use is “cojones”.&lt;/em&gt;

Here&#039;s a handy mnemonic:  In his book &lt;em&gt;Eight Million Ways to Die&lt;/em&gt;, Lawrence Block writes of a character who registers at a hotel as &quot;Charles Owen Jones&quot;.  It&#039;s a play on words:  he&#039;s a ballsy guy, so he signs himself &quot;C. O. Jones&quot;, i.e., &quot;cojones&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The word you probably wanted to use is “cojones”.</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a handy mnemonic:  In his book <em>Eight Million Ways to Die</em>, Lawrence Block writes of a character who registers at a hotel as &#8220;Charles Owen Jones&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a play on words:  he&#8217;s a ballsy guy, so he signs himself &#8220;C. O. Jones&#8221;, i.e., &#8220;cojones&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: HP Stevens</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215076</link>
		<dc:creator>HP Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Ron, but I think for MSNBC, attracting a large audience is probably enough incentive all on its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Ron, but I think for MSNBC, attracting a large audience is probably enough incentive all on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215075</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP Stevens,

Considering how poor the ratings are at MSNBC, perhaps they will put on such a show if they think there would be a large enough audience. However this still wouldn&#039;t get any voters to return to the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP Stevens,</p>
<p>Considering how poor the ratings are at MSNBC, perhaps they will put on such a show if they think there would be a large enough audience. However this still wouldn&#8217;t get any voters to return to the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, throw in Lee Atwater instead of Dick Tuck, although that&#039;s not who I originally had in mind. Maybe I was thinking of someone else and got the names wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, throw in Lee Atwater instead of Dick Tuck, although that&#8217;s not who I originally had in mind. Maybe I was thinking of someone else and got the names wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: HP Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>HP Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one would be happy to learn all about Olberman&#039;s and Dowd&#039;s steamy sex secrets.  I would even watch a video of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one would be happy to learn all about Olberman&#8217;s and Dowd&#8217;s steamy sex secrets.  I would even watch a video of that.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 20:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Dick Tuck really belong on the list?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Dick Tuck really belong on the list?</p>
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		<title>By: stickler</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=8181&#038;cpage=1#comment-215069</link>
		<dc:creator>stickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be nitpicky, but Dick Tuck was not a right-wing dirty trickster.  He was a Democrat who dedicated his life to making Richard Nixon miserable.  In often-hilarious ways.  His stunts were &quot;dirty tricks,&quot; to a certain degree, but they were mostly mild.  Here&#039;s the Wikipedia entry on him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Tuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be nitpicky, but Dick Tuck was not a right-wing dirty trickster.  He was a Democrat who dedicated his life to making Richard Nixon miserable.  In often-hilarious ways.  His stunts were &#8220;dirty tricks,&#8221; to a certain degree, but they were mostly mild.  Here&#8217;s the Wikipedia entry on him:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Tuck" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Tuck</a></p>
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