Comments on: A Vicious Cycle Plays Out in Gaza http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=6430 Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:50:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Ron Chusid http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=6430&cpage=1#comment-211076 Ron Chusid Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:31:06 +0000 http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=6430#comment-211076 koranist, To try to go back to 1948 is a dead end--see the first line of Megan's post which I quoted above. We must deal with the situation as it now exists. Any arguments which exclusively look at this from one side will go no where. This includes both denying the right of Israel to exist now that people have been living there as well as denying the real problems of people such as those in Gaza. If there is to be a solution it must respect both sides. Proposals such as a two state settlement have a chance at success (despite all the obstacles). To simply deny the right of Israel to exist leaves no room for a real peace settlement, increasing the chances that Israel will respond as it is now (even though such actions are likely to be counterproductive in the long run). koranist,

To try to go back to 1948 is a dead end–see the first line of Megan’s post which I quoted above.

We must deal with the situation as it now exists. Any arguments which exclusively look at this from one side will go no where. This includes both denying the right of Israel to exist now that people have been living there as well as denying the real problems of people such as those in Gaza.

If there is to be a solution it must respect both sides. Proposals such as a two state settlement have a chance at success (despite all the obstacles). To simply deny the right of Israel to exist leaves no room for a real peace settlement, increasing the chances that Israel will respond as it is now (even though such actions are likely to be counterproductive in the long run).

]]> By: koranist http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=6430&cpage=1#comment-211063 koranist Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:35:03 +0000 http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=6430#comment-211063 Its funny how Islam is much debated when it comes to this issue while Judaism and its claim that Jews have a birthright to that land is not. Also the fact that Israel has a right to exist is always claimed but never as to where that existence should be and on what basis does it have a right to exist as compared to Kurdistan or Chechniya has a right to exist. Why do we expect and insist Hamas accept Israel when most Islamic nations, including US allies, do not? Why do we also always refer to Hamas as "Islamis" but not the Iraqi government? And why always the need to clairify Iran as backers of Hamas but not Noor Al Maliki? The debate about Israel and Palestine never takes into account how Hamas sees the world and why it sees it that way. Little is emphasized that many occupants of Gaza were driven to Gaza in 1948 from areas Hamas's is now firing rockets at such as Beerseeva etc. Its funny how Islam is much debated when it comes to this issue while Judaism and its claim that Jews have a birthright to that land is not. Also the fact that Israel has a right to exist is always claimed but never as to where that existence should be and on what basis does it have a right to exist as compared to Kurdistan or Chechniya has a right to exist.

Why do we expect and insist Hamas accept Israel when most Islamic nations, including US allies, do not? Why do we also always refer to Hamas as “Islamis” but not the Iraqi government? And why always the need to clairify Iran as backers of Hamas but not Noor Al Maliki?

The debate about Israel and Palestine never takes into account how Hamas sees the world and why it sees it that way. Little is emphasized that many occupants of Gaza were driven to Gaza in 1948 from areas Hamas’s is now firing rockets at such as Beerseeva etc.

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