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		<description>[...] makes it clear that he plans to leave Iraq. He lays out a sixteen month schedule, but as he has often done in the past, he make sit clear that the specifics can change based upon the situation at the time and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These are not contradictory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect you are making the mistake that Josh Marshall wrote about in discussing this controversy in confusing policy and tactics (which might make you incorrectly believe there are contradictions where none exist). &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/202750.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Josh wrote&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve watched this campaign unfold pretty closely. And I&#039;ve listened to Obama&#039;s position on Iraq. He&#039;s been very clear through this year and last on the distinction between strategy and tactics. Presidents set the strategy -- which in this context means the goal or the policy. And if the policy is a military one, a President will consult closely with his military advisors on the tactics used to execute the policy.

&lt;p&gt;This is an elementary distinction the current occupant in the White House has continually tried to confuse by claiming that his policies are driven and constrained by the advice he&#039;s given by his commanders on the ground. There&#039;s nothing odd or contradictory about Obama saying that he&#039;ll change the policy to one of withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq with a specific timetable but that he will consult with his military advisors about how best to execute that policy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the McCain campaign to put out a memo to reporters claiming that Obama has adopted McCain&#039;s policy only shows that his advisors believe that a sizable percentage of the political press is made up of incorrigible morons. And it&#039;s hard to disagree with the judgment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The simple truth is that this campaign offers a very clear cut choice on Iraq. One candidate believes that the US occupation of Iraq is the solution; the other thinks it&#039;s the problem. John McCain supports the permanent deployment of US troops in Iraq. That is why his hundred years remark isn&#039;t some gotcha line. It&#039;s a clear statement of his policy. Obama supports a deliberate and orderly withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. It&#039;s a completely different view of America&#039;s role in the world and future in the Middle East. Reporters who can&#039;t grasp what Obama is saying seem simply to have been permanently befuddled by George W. Bush&#039;s game-playing over delegating policy to commanders.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are not contradictory.</p>
<p>I suspect you are making the mistake that Josh Marshall wrote about in discussing this controversy in confusing policy and tactics (which might make you incorrectly believe there are contradictions where none exist). <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/202750.php" rel="nofollow">Josh wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve watched this campaign unfold pretty closely. And I&#8217;ve listened to Obama&#8217;s position on Iraq. He&#8217;s been very clear through this year and last on the distinction between strategy and tactics. Presidents set the strategy &#8212; which in this context means the goal or the policy. And if the policy is a military one, a President will consult closely with his military advisors on the tactics used to execute the policy.</p>
<p>This is an elementary distinction the current occupant in the White House has continually tried to confuse by claiming that his policies are driven and constrained by the advice he&#8217;s given by his commanders on the ground. There&#8217;s nothing odd or contradictory about Obama saying that he&#8217;ll change the policy to one of withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq with a specific timetable but that he will consult with his military advisors about how best to execute that policy.</p>
<p>For the McCain campaign to put out a memo to reporters claiming that Obama has adopted McCain&#8217;s policy only shows that his advisors believe that a sizable percentage of the political press is made up of incorrigible morons. And it&#8217;s hard to disagree with the judgment.</p>
<p>The simple truth is that this campaign offers a very clear cut choice on Iraq. One candidate believes that the US occupation of Iraq is the solution; the other thinks it&#8217;s the problem. John McCain supports the permanent deployment of US troops in Iraq. That is why his hundred years remark isn&#8217;t some gotcha line. It&#8217;s a clear statement of his policy. Obama supports a deliberate and orderly withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. It&#8217;s a completely different view of America&#8217;s role in the world and future in the Middle East. Reporters who can&#8217;t grasp what Obama is saying seem simply to have been permanently befuddled by George W. Bush&#8217;s game-playing over delegating policy to commanders.</p>
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		<title>By: bill w stl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Ron - I just read these, and I could cut &amp; paste another 10, but even some of these are contradictory - so tell me in a paragraph what you think the essence  is of his position?
I don&#039;t rely on soundbites, and if you are honest with yourself, you can click on a number of these and see the broader context of what he is saying and the broader context contradicts the point you are trying to make by just cutting out the piece that you did.
Well informed, but still confused.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Ron &#8211; I just read these, and I could cut &amp; paste another 10, but even some of these are contradictory &#8211; so tell me in a paragraph what you think the essence  is of his position?<br />
I don&#8217;t rely on soundbites, and if you are honest with yourself, you can click on a number of these and see the broader context of what he is saying and the broader context contradicts the point you are trying to make by just cutting out the piece that you did.<br />
Well informed, but still confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bill,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama has been quite consistent for those who care to pay attention to what he is saying. Of course if you limit yourself to the limited soundbites the news media covers I could see where you would get the false impression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was Samantha Power&#039;s comments on Clinton, not on Iraq, which were disowned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the end of the day where Obama stands is quite clear:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;June 2008: Obama: I&#039;ve Consistently Said That I Will Consult With Military Commanders On The Ground And Be Open To The Possibility Of Tactical Adjustments.&lt;/strong&gt; Obama said, &quot;I&#039;ve also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments. The important thing is to send a clear signal to the Iraqi people and most importantly to the Iraqi leadership that the U.S. occupation in Iraq is finite, it is gonna be coming to a foreseeable end.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MSNBC, 6/16/0&lt;/a&gt;8]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;March 2008: Obama Said He Would Give Senior Military Leaders Opinions Great Weight In Implementing His Iraq Plan But As Commander In Chief Would Make His Own Assessment Of The Situation.&lt;/strong&gt; Obama was asked &quot;what weight will you give to the counsel of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the CENTCOM [U.S. Central Command] commander, the combatant commander on the ground in Iraq and current intelligence chiefs on the ground in Iraq regarding an immediate phased withdrawal?&quot; Obama said, &quot;I will give their counsel great weight. But, as commander in chief, it is my responsibility to make my own assessment of the situation. We must send a clear signal to the Iraqi political leadership that we are leaving Iraq on a timeline. Doing so will put pressure on those leaders to begin to resolve the political impasse at the heart of this civil war. But I also want to be clear about another thing. I am worried our Army is overstretched and that we have asked an awful lot from our military families. Many in our senior military leadership are worried about a plan that will keep 130,000 troops on the ground in Iraq for the foreseeable future. So, as commander in chief, I will also have to take into consideration the counsel of other senior military leaders who may be concerned that Iraq is undercutting our ability to confront other security challenges.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR2008030201982.html?sid=ST2008030300128&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post, 3/2/08&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;March 2008: Obama Said The Size Of The Residual Force Will Depend On Consultation With Military Commanders And &quot;Will Depend On The Circumstances On The Ground.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; Obama said, &quot;The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation. But let me be clear on one thing: I will end this war, and there will be far fewer Americans in Iraq conducting a much more limited set of missions that include counterterrorism and protection of our embassy and U.S. civilians.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR2008030201982.html?sid=ST2008030300128&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post, 3/2/08&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;November 2007: Obama Said He Would Leave Residual Troops In Iraq Based On The Levels Of Violence, &quot;It&#039;s Not My Job To Specify Troop Levels.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; Obama said, &quot;If we see a serious effort by the Iraqi leadership to arrive at an agreement and an accommodation and you&#039;ve seen continued reductions of violence, then you need one level of troop protection for the embassy…If things have gone to hell in a hand basket then you need another ... It&#039;s not my job to specify troop levels. My job is to tell our commanders on the ground, &#039;Here&#039;s your mission. Protect our embassy, protect our diplomats and our humanitarian workers in the area and make sure al Qaeda in Iraq, or other terrorist organizations inside of Iraq are not re-establishing bases there.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20071128&amp;Category=GJNEWS_01&amp;ArtNo=711280035&amp;SectionCat=&amp;Template=printart&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fosters, 11/28/07&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;November 2007: Obama Said U.S. Has To Make Sure &quot;We Are Not Just Willy-Nilly Removing Troops&quot; And That It May &quot;Take A Little Bit Longer&quot; In Some Areas Where There Is Less Stability.&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;According to all the reports, we should have been well along our way in getting the Iraqi security forces to be more functional. We then have another 16 months after that to adjust the withdrawal and make sure that we are withdrawing from those areas, based on advice from the military officers in the field, those places where we are secured, made progress and we&#039;re not just willy-nilly removing troops, but we&#039;re making a determination – in this region we see some stability. We&#039;ve had cooperation from local tribal leaders and local officials, so we can afford to remove troops here. Here, we&#039;ve still got problems, it&#039;s going to take a little bit longer. Maybe those are the last areas to pull out.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Times, 11/1/07&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;November 2007: Obama: &quot;If The Commanders Tell Me They Need X, Y And Z, In Order To Accomplish The Very Narrow Mission That I&#039;ve Laid Out, Than I Will Take That Into Consideration.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;You raise a series of legitimate questions. As commander in chief, I&#039;m not going to leave trainers unprotected. In our counterterrorism efforts, I&#039;m not going to have a situation where our efforts can&#039;t be successful. We will structure those forces so they can be successful. We would still have human intelligence capabilities on the ground. Some of them would be civilian, as opposed to military, some would be operating out of our bases as well as our signal intelligence…But listen, I am not going to set up our troops for failure and I&#039;m going to do something half-baked. If the commanders tell me that they need X, Y and Z, in order to accomplish the very narrow mission that I&#039;ve laid out, than I will take that into consideration.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Times, 11/1/07&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;November 2007: Obama: &quot;Even Something As Simple As Protecting Our Embassy Is Going To Dependent On What Is The Security In Baghdad…If There Is Some Sense Of Security, Then That Means One Level Of Force. If You Continue To Have Significant Sectarian Conflict, That Means Another.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;I have not ascribed particular numbers to that and I won&#039;t for precisely the reason I was just talking to Michael about. I want to talk to military folks on the ground, No. 1. No. 2, a lot of it depends on what&#039;s happened on the political front and the diplomatic front. Even something as simple as protecting our embassy is going to be dependent on what is the security environment in Baghdad. If there is some sense of security, then that means one level of force. If you continue to have significant sectarian conflict, that means another, but this is an area where Senator Clinton and I do have a significant contrast.&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Times, 11/1/07&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;September 2007: Obama Said He Believed &quot;That We Should Have All Our Troops Out By 2013, But I Don&#039;t Want To Make Promises.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; Obama said, &quot;I think it&#039;s hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don&#039;t know what contingency will be out there. What I can promise is that if there are still troops in Iraq when I take office -- which it appears there may be, unless we can get of our Republican colleagues to change their mind and cut off funding without a timetable -- if there&#039;s no timetable -- then I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians, and making sure that we&#039;re carrying out counterterrorism activities there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don&#039;t want to make promises, not knowing what the situation&#039;s going to be three or four years out.&quot; [NH DNC Debate, 9/26/07]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Obama has been quite consistent for those who care to pay attention to what he is saying. Of course if you limit yourself to the limited soundbites the news media covers I could see where you would get the false impression.</p>
<p>It was Samantha Power&#8217;s comments on Clinton, not on Iraq, which were disowned.</p>
<p>At the end of the day where Obama stands is quite clear:</p>
<p><strong>June 2008: Obama: I&#8217;ve Consistently Said That I Will Consult With Military Commanders On The Ground And Be Open To The Possibility Of Tactical Adjustments.</strong> Obama said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments. The important thing is to send a clear signal to the Iraqi people and most importantly to the Iraqi leadership that the U.S. occupation in Iraq is finite, it is gonna be coming to a foreseeable end.&#8221; [<a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx" rel="nofollow">MSNBC, 6/16/0</a>8]</p>
<p><strong>March 2008: Obama Said He Would Give Senior Military Leaders Opinions Great Weight In Implementing His Iraq Plan But As Commander In Chief Would Make His Own Assessment Of The Situation.</strong> Obama was asked &#8220;what weight will you give to the counsel of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the CENTCOM [U.S. Central Command] commander, the combatant commander on the ground in Iraq and current intelligence chiefs on the ground in Iraq regarding an immediate phased withdrawal?&#8221; Obama said, &#8220;I will give their counsel great weight. But, as commander in chief, it is my responsibility to make my own assessment of the situation. We must send a clear signal to the Iraqi political leadership that we are leaving Iraq on a timeline. Doing so will put pressure on those leaders to begin to resolve the political impasse at the heart of this civil war. But I also want to be clear about another thing. I am worried our Army is overstretched and that we have asked an awful lot from our military families. Many in our senior military leadership are worried about a plan that will keep 130,000 troops on the ground in Iraq for the foreseeable future. So, as commander in chief, I will also have to take into consideration the counsel of other senior military leaders who may be concerned that Iraq is undercutting our ability to confront other security challenges.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR2008030201982.html?sid=ST2008030300128" rel="nofollow">Washington Post, 3/2/08</a>]</p>
<p><strong>March 2008: Obama Said The Size Of The Residual Force Will Depend On Consultation With Military Commanders And &#8220;Will Depend On The Circumstances On The Ground.&#8221;</strong> Obama said, &#8220;The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation. But let me be clear on one thing: I will end this war, and there will be far fewer Americans in Iraq conducting a much more limited set of missions that include counterterrorism and protection of our embassy and U.S. civilians.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR2008030201982.html?sid=ST2008030300128" rel="nofollow">Washington Post, 3/2/08</a>]</p>
<p><strong>November 2007: Obama Said He Would Leave Residual Troops In Iraq Based On The Levels Of Violence, &#8220;It&#8217;s Not My Job To Specify Troop Levels.&#8221;</strong> Obama said, &#8220;If we see a serious effort by the Iraqi leadership to arrive at an agreement and an accommodation and you&#8217;ve seen continued reductions of violence, then you need one level of troop protection for the embassy…If things have gone to hell in a hand basket then you need another &#8230; It&#8217;s not my job to specify troop levels. My job is to tell our commanders on the ground, &#8216;Here&#8217;s your mission. Protect our embassy, protect our diplomats and our humanitarian workers in the area and make sure al Qaeda in Iraq, or other terrorist organizations inside of Iraq are not re-establishing bases there.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20071128&amp;Category=GJNEWS_01&amp;ArtNo=711280035&amp;SectionCat=&amp;Template=printart" rel="nofollow">Fosters, 11/28/07</a>]</p>
<p><strong>November 2007: Obama Said U.S. Has To Make Sure &#8220;We Are Not Just Willy-Nilly Removing Troops&#8221; And That It May &#8220;Take A Little Bit Longer&#8221; In Some Areas Where There Is Less Stability.</strong> &#8220;According to all the reports, we should have been well along our way in getting the Iraqi security forces to be more functional. We then have another 16 months after that to adjust the withdrawal and make sure that we are withdrawing from those areas, based on advice from the military officers in the field, those places where we are secured, made progress and we&#8217;re not just willy-nilly removing troops, but we&#8217;re making a determination – in this region we see some stability. We&#8217;ve had cooperation from local tribal leaders and local officials, so we can afford to remove troops here. Here, we&#8217;ve still got problems, it&#8217;s going to take a little bit longer. Maybe those are the last areas to pull out.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">New York Times, 11/1/07</a>]</p>
<p><strong>November 2007: Obama: &#8220;If The Commanders Tell Me They Need X, Y And Z, In Order To Accomplish The Very Narrow Mission That I&#8217;ve Laid Out, Than I Will Take That Into Consideration.&#8221;</strong> &#8220;You raise a series of legitimate questions. As commander in chief, I&#8217;m not going to leave trainers unprotected. In our counterterrorism efforts, I&#8217;m not going to have a situation where our efforts can&#8217;t be successful. We will structure those forces so they can be successful. We would still have human intelligence capabilities on the ground. Some of them would be civilian, as opposed to military, some would be operating out of our bases as well as our signal intelligence…But listen, I am not going to set up our troops for failure and I&#8217;m going to do something half-baked. If the commanders tell me that they need X, Y and Z, in order to accomplish the very narrow mission that I&#8217;ve laid out, than I will take that into consideration.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">New York Times, 11/1/07</a>]</p>
<p><strong>November 2007: Obama: &#8220;Even Something As Simple As Protecting Our Embassy Is Going To Dependent On What Is The Security In Baghdad…If There Is Some Sense Of Security, Then That Means One Level Of Force. If You Continue To Have Significant Sectarian Conflict, That Means Another.&#8221;</strong> &#8220;I have not ascribed particular numbers to that and I won&#8217;t for precisely the reason I was just talking to Michael about. I want to talk to military folks on the ground, No. 1. No. 2, a lot of it depends on what&#8217;s happened on the political front and the diplomatic front. Even something as simple as protecting our embassy is going to be dependent on what is the security environment in Baghdad. If there is some sense of security, then that means one level of force. If you continue to have significant sectarian conflict, that means another, but this is an area where Senator Clinton and I do have a significant contrast.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">New York Times, 11/1/07</a>]</p>
<p><strong>September 2007: Obama Said He Believed &#8220;That We Should Have All Our Troops Out By 2013, But I Don&#8217;t Want To Make Promises.&#8221;</strong> Obama said, &#8220;I think it&#8217;s hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don&#8217;t know what contingency will be out there. What I can promise is that if there are still troops in Iraq when I take office &#8212; which it appears there may be, unless we can get of our Republican colleagues to change their mind and cut off funding without a timetable &#8212; if there&#8217;s no timetable &#8212; then I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians, and making sure that we&#8217;re carrying out counterterrorism activities there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don&#8217;t want to make promises, not knowing what the situation&#8217;s going to be three or four years out.&#8221; [NH DNC Debate, 9/26/07]</p>
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		<title>By: bill w stl</title>
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		<description>His problem is that he wants to please too many and many hear only what they want to hear.  He has at times, and even on his website repeated strongly and without wiggle room that he was going to start pulling troops on day 1 and have them out in sixteen months - no ambiguity.  At other times, as noted above, he has left himself wiggle room.  (By the way, the Samantha Powers quote above was then widely criticized and disowned by the Obama camp after she made those comments).
 
 
At the end of the day, you really don&#039;t know where he stands.   I would suspect and hope that he does change his mind on this and base his decision on the what is happening at the time and in the bests long term interest of the US and Iraqis.  Heck, with the progress that has happened over the last year, it is not inconceivable that he can have his cake &amp; eat it too - We might be able to responsibly pull the troops out in less than sixteen months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His problem is that he wants to please too many and many hear only what they want to hear.  He has at times, and even on his website repeated strongly and without wiggle room that he was going to start pulling troops on day 1 and have them out in sixteen months &#8211; no ambiguity.  At other times, as noted above, he has left himself wiggle room.  (By the way, the Samantha Powers quote above was then widely criticized and disowned by the Obama camp after she made those comments).<br />
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At the end of the day, you really don&#8217;t know where he stands.   I would suspect and hope that he does change his mind on this and base his decision on the what is happening at the time and in the bests long term interest of the US and Iraqis.  Heck, with the progress that has happened over the last year, it is not inconceivable that he can have his cake &amp; eat it too &#8211; We might be able to responsibly pull the troops out in less than sixteen months.</p>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media » Don&#8217;t Hammer Obama for &#8216;Refining&#8217; Iraq Stance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media » Don&#8217;t Hammer Obama for &#8216;Refining&#8217; Iraq Stance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rhetoric as proof he &#8220;backed off&#8221; his position, while progressive bloggers are publicly arguing that this was always part of his plan, and conservatives quickly noted the statement is yet another [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3484&#038;cpage=1#comment-203828</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is a great plan on their part. If Obama sticks with the position he has advocated all along, they call him a flip-flopper. The only way Obama can escape being labeled a flip-flopper would be to accept the totally absurd position that he will stick to an idea discussed a year earlier without being willing to consider any change in the plan whatsoever based upon changes in the situation upon taking office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Under this situation he&#039;s better off being called a flip-flopper (while explaning that he really is not) as opposed to allowing the McCain campa and the media to redefign his position on their terms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a great plan on their part. If Obama sticks with the position he has advocated all along, they call him a flip-flopper. The only way Obama can escape being labeled a flip-flopper would be to accept the totally absurd position that he will stick to an idea discussed a year earlier without being willing to consider any change in the plan whatsoever based upon changes in the situation upon taking office.</p>
<p>Under this situation he&#8217;s better off being called a flip-flopper (while explaning that he really is not) as opposed to allowing the McCain campa and the media to redefign his position on their terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3484&#038;cpage=1#comment-203826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rove is Happening Again!
Just as Davis is replaced by elevating senior strategist Steve Schmidt to head day-to-day operations, this happens. No coincidence. People, here&#039;s how it works, step by step:
1. Schmidt decides what topic will hurt Obama the most right now. Obama&#039;s focusing on patriotism? So shift slightly to military in Iran and apply a small push (Jujitsu 101).
2. The push: call a few friends. Best if they&#039;re high up (not reporters - the story then becomes what you&#039;re doing). No, best if your friends are people who tell reporters what story to pursue: &quot;I&#039;ve heard that Obama&#039;s about to flip-flop on Iran. This is HUGE! Be sure you GET the story!&quot;
3. Sit back and watch the fun. Primed by Schmidt, the press asks questions designed to pry this nascent flip-flop loose, then interprets any response to please their bosses.
4. Have  your candidate (McCain if you&#039;re Schmidt) ready with &quot;I would never flip-flop. You can trust me. I&#039;m steady Freddy when it comes to Iraq.&quot;
5. When Obama inevitably attempts to set the record straight, hit him again: &quot;See? He&#039;s flopping back on his flip! This guy will say anything.&quot;
6. Go have a few beers; democracy&#039;s been saved yet again. Rove&#039;s third term is in the bag. You might even listen to Mike Malloy rip Obama a new one. What a high!
7. Next day, do it all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rove is Happening Again!<br />
Just as Davis is replaced by elevating senior strategist Steve Schmidt to head day-to-day operations, this happens. No coincidence. People, here&#8217;s how it works, step by step:<br />
1. Schmidt decides what topic will hurt Obama the most right now. Obama&#8217;s focusing on patriotism? So shift slightly to military in Iran and apply a small push (Jujitsu 101).<br />
2. The push: call a few friends. Best if they&#8217;re high up (not reporters &#8211; the story then becomes what you&#8217;re doing). No, best if your friends are people who tell reporters what story to pursue: &#8220;I&#8217;ve heard that Obama&#8217;s about to flip-flop on Iran. This is HUGE! Be sure you GET the story!&#8221;<br />
3. Sit back and watch the fun. Primed by Schmidt, the press asks questions designed to pry this nascent flip-flop loose, then interprets any response to please their bosses.<br />
4. Have  your candidate (McCain if you&#8217;re Schmidt) ready with &#8220;I would never flip-flop. You can trust me. I&#8217;m steady Freddy when it comes to Iraq.&#8221;<br />
5. When Obama inevitably attempts to set the record straight, hit him again: &#8220;See? He&#8217;s flopping back on his flip! This guy will say anything.&#8221;<br />
6. Go have a few beers; democracy&#8217;s been saved yet again. Rove&#8217;s third term is in the bag. You might even listen to Mike Malloy rip Obama a new one. What a high!<br />
7. Next day, do it all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Naked Politics</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3484&#038;cpage=1#comment-203822</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck Naked Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Barack Obama, Who is He?...&lt;/strong&gt;

by Damozel &#124; On this July 4, Barack Obama is drawing a lot of criticism from some who were previously anxious to support him. A Washington Post editorial calls out Obama for his numerous failures to support the hopes of liberals that they finally had a...</description>
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<p>by Damozel | On this July 4, Barack Obama is drawing a lot of criticism from some who were previously anxious to support him. A Washington Post editorial calls out Obama for his numerous failures to support the hopes of liberals that they finally had a&#8230;</p>
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