Comments on: Hillary Clinton Wins Meaningless Victory in Puerto Rico http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342 Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:46:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: bwswolf http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342&cpage=1#comment-203048 bwswolf Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:37:46 +0000 http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342#comment-203048 Once again Hillary Clinton and her supporter show their true colors. Like spoiled little brats they stomp, whine and complain when they don't get their own ways. Most vote !!! Of course you can claim this when you run in one state unopposed, contrary to rules that you get changed later,  When she got a majority her and her supporters still whine and cry foul because they didn't get it all. I hope that after Tuesday the uncommitted Super-delegates get off the fence and support one or the other. Hopefully if Obama wins, she will act like a good sport grownup (ya, right) and this will end. Once again Hillary Clinton and her supporter show their true colors. Like spoiled little brats they stomp, whine and complain when they don’t get their own ways. Most vote !!! Of course you can claim this when you run in one state unopposed, contrary to rules that you get changed later,  When she got a majority her and her supporters still whine and cry foul because they didn’t get it all.
I hope that after Tuesday the uncommitted Super-delegates get off the fence and support one or the other. Hopefully if Obama wins, she will act like a good sport grownup (ya, right) and this will end.

]]> By: Ron Chusid http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342&cpage=1#comment-203045 Ron Chusid Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:34:57 +0000 http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342#comment-203045 <p>Ronnie,</p> <p>There is absolutely no comparison between Clinton's bogus claims and the Bush-Gore election.</p> <p>The dispute in 2000 was not about the popular vote. There was no question that the president would be the winner of the electoral college. The controversy was because of the blocking of the recount in Florida which would have given Gore a majority if there was a full state recount.</p> <p>As for Hillary's claims, first of all Obama and not Clinton is leading in the popular vote, despite Clinton's claims. Secondly a popular vote cannot be used in this situation since there is a combination of primaries and caucuses, with caucuses not having the same types of vote totals. We also cannot consider Michigan or Florida in any popular vote total as it was agreed by all, even Clinton, before the vote that they would not count. Of course Obama still leads in the popular vote even if these are counted.</p> <p>You also cannot change the rules after the fact. If the nomination was based upon the popular vote, Obama would have concentrated more on it and would probably have an even greater lead than he does now.</p> <p>As for electability, Clinton would be a disaster. She started out hated by half the country. Now she also has half the Democratic Party opposed to her. The vast majority of independents would vote for McCain over Clinton, while in contrast Obama is pulling in a tremendous number of people who never voted for Democrats in the past.</p> Ronnie,

There is absolutely no comparison between Clinton’s bogus claims and the Bush-Gore election.

The dispute in 2000 was not about the popular vote. There was no question that the president would be the winner of the electoral college. The controversy was because of the blocking of the recount in Florida which would have given Gore a majority if there was a full state recount.

As for Hillary’s claims, first of all Obama and not Clinton is leading in the popular vote, despite Clinton’s claims. Secondly a popular vote cannot be used in this situation since there is a combination of primaries and caucuses, with caucuses not having the same types of vote totals. We also cannot consider Michigan or Florida in any popular vote total as it was agreed by all, even Clinton, before the vote that they would not count. Of course Obama still leads in the popular vote even if these are counted.

You also cannot change the rules after the fact. If the nomination was based upon the popular vote, Obama would have concentrated more on it and would probably have an even greater lead than he does now.

As for electability, Clinton would be a disaster. She started out hated by half the country. Now she also has half the Democratic Party opposed to her. The vast majority of independents would vote for McCain over Clinton, while in contrast Obama is pulling in a tremendous number of people who never voted for Democrats in the past.

]]> By: Ronnie Johnson http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342&cpage=1#comment-203044 Ronnie Johnson Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:57:05 +0000 http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342#comment-203044 Folks - I have a news flash for you all - of the democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton ONLY has even a CHANCE at beating John McCain in the general election.  For the record, I am registered "unaffilatated", as there is no "Independent" category where I reside.  As such - I don't know much about the "rules" of the democratic party - but how can y'all scream so loudly about the "popular vote" during the Bush-Gore election, and so cavalierly ignore it now?   Folks –

I have a news flash for you all – of the democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton ONLY has even a CHANCE at beating John McCain in the general election.  For the record, I am registered “unaffilatated”, as there is no “Independent” category where I reside. 
As such – I don’t know much about the “rules” of the democratic party – but how can y’all scream so loudly about the “popular vote” during the Bush-Gore election, and so cavalierly ignore it now?
 

]]> By: Puerto-Rico » Popular Vote Total After Puerto Rico http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342&cpage=1#comment-203041 Puerto-Rico » Popular Vote Total After Puerto Rico Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:32:12 +0000 http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3342#comment-203041 [...] Hillary Clinton Wins Meaningless Victory in Puerto RicoThe Puerto Rico “primary” is a crypto-democatic act: We are selecting delegates who will be able to vote at the Democratic Convention even though they won’t be able to vote in the general. At last, a political event even more ridiculous … [...] [...] Hillary Clinton Wins Meaningless Victory in Puerto RicoThe Puerto Rico “primary” is a crypto-democatic act: We are selecting delegates who will be able to vote at the Democratic Convention even though they won’t be able to vote in the general. At last, a political event even more ridiculous … [...]

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