Comments on: Clinton and Obama’s Religious Choices

By: Sore Losers Continue Attacks on Obama - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:30:06 +0000

[...] has been a supporter of faith based initiatves for quite a while. Even worse, Clinton has been heavily influenced by the religious right for years. This has had a negative influence on her policy positions, including her support for [...]

By: Hillary Clinton, Conservative Populist - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Sun, 11 May 2008 23:29:33 +0000

[...] ignoring both reality and the best interests of the country. Moving beyond economic policy to social issues, matters of Executive power, support for the Iraq war, and tactics used there far too little [...]

By: Campaigning Against John McCain, Not George Bush - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Sat, 10 May 2008 15:04:26 +0000

[...] McCain is not the independent moderate sometimes portrayed by the media, but he is also not the far right extremist that currently dominates the Republican Party. McCain breaks from the far right on torture, although he has certainly not been consistent in his voting. McCain at least does not deny that climate change is a problem and is preferable over the far right on environmental issues, but he is not the environmental champion sometimes described by the media. He panders far too much to the religious right, especially on abortion, but has far weaker ties to the religious right than George Bush (or Hillary Clinton). [...]

By: Hillary Rodham Bush - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Hillary Rodham Bush - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought — Fri, 02 May 2008 16:53:37 +0000

[...] past seven years. Clinton backed the war, despite her attempts to hide this fact. She has stronger ties to the religious right than the presumptive Republican candidate. She backs the same types of abuses of executive power [...]

By: Electability And The People Each Candidate Attracts - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:34:32 +0000

[...] will have difficulty bringing in such voters. With her poor record on civil liberties issues, social issues, and her support for the war, Clinton gives socially liberal affluent voters little reason to back [...]

By: Voting on Values and The Working Class - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:07:30 +0000

[...] other hand, I see no reason to support a candidate such as Hillary Clinton who is conservative on social and civil liberties issues and populist on economic issues. Krugman, preferring the more [...]

By: More On Hillary’s Choice and The Vast Rightwing Conspiracy - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:21 +0000

[...] against video games, I didn’t consider comment on her personal associations, which I detailed in this post yesterday, relevant until she launched her personal attack on [...]

By: Hillary Clinton Teams Up With Fellow Conservatives To Attack Obama - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:50:14 +0000

[...] apologists have tried to excuse Clinton’s attacks on Obama yesterday for his affiliation with Jeremiah Wright by claiming Clinton was just answering a [...]

By: Ron Chusid

Ron Chusid — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:38:04 +0000

Lex,

The problem is that few of the people who support Clinton would be expected to care.

A tremendous amount of Clinton’s support comes from women who support her because they want a woman president and they don’t care about details such as what she believes.

For those who do realize what the Clintonistas believe, they’d already realize that they are actually conservative populists, not liberals (in terms of social and civil liberties issues).

This leads to the third group–those who support their economic populism because they think they will help them out more economically. In this case the hope for economic benefits of voting for her out weight other principles.

By: ChenZhen

ChenZhen — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:33:09 +0000

“You don’t choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend.”

Of course, you can also choose to divorce a husband who decided to soil an intern’s dress with his semen, but pointing that out would be taking the low road, I suppose.

By: Lex

Lex — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:45:43 +0000

I tried to discuss this issue elsewhere about 10 days ago. Guess what i found out? We’re misinterpreting her affiliation. She doesn’t stand for the same things as “The Fellowship”, she doesn’t even always attend. Moreover, “The Family” (as they apparently prefer to be called in public, which is kind of funny because when someone says “the Family” i think of patchouli scented, dreadlocked hippies selling doses at a Dead show) does a lot of good in communities around the country.

In other words, her supporters defense to this is the same as Obama supporters defending Trinity United and Rev. Wright.

Maybe it’s as Chris Rock has said, “If it’s all white…it’s alright.”

By: Albert Johnson Jr

Albert Johnson Jr — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:31:04 +0000

Hillary Clinton is truly a nasty piece of work. Even if one does not consider the supposedly inflammatory nature of the Wright sermons, she took an opportunity to promote healing or at least thought provoking discussion, and instead parroted a line that even the conservative nominee and the man he defeated has abandoned.

I have no doubt Hillary would have left her church and the place that introduced her to Jesus because it is abundantly clear that there is no belief, no ethic, no moral, or important relationship she would not gladly sacrifice in order to further her own naked ambition. However, she should get that choice. These are the words of her pastor in the white house for 8 years Dean J Snyder the Senior Minister of the Foundry United Methodist church. The Clintons church while they were in the white house.

A STATEMENT CONCERNING THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader
whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for
decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society.
He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia
which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic
ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave
injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the
African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a
people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and
violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has
been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions
and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us
who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr.
Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a
critical time in America’s history as we seek to repent of our racism.
No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again
to one another and not to distort one another’s truth.

Over 2 million Americans have seen the full context of the Rev. Wright’s sermon on YouTube. So, when Hillary says it’s out there for people to make up their minds I hope they truly do.

Hillary is a political succubus. She will suck the energy and will from this party until we are broken and defeated.

We have to defeat this person.

By: Of Better Angels And Lesser Demons » Comments from Left Field

Of Better Angels And Lesser Demons » Comments from Left Field — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:59:23 +0000

[...] Chusid provides for us a revealing glimpse into Hillary Clinton’s high powered prayer group: Everyone has a choice in who they associate with and if we are going to criticize Obama’s choice w… Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative [...]