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		<title>By: A Future Woman President - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3036&#038;cpage=1#comment-202691</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] experience than Barack Obama, and is on the wrong side of virtually every issue I, and many liberal bloggers, care about. If Hillary Clinton was either a man, or not married to Bill Clinton, she would not be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] experience than Barack Obama, and is on the wrong side of virtually every issue I, and many liberal bloggers, care about. If Hillary Clinton was either a man, or not married to Bill Clinton, she would not be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton vs McCain Would Not Be A Choice Worth Voting On - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3036&#038;cpage=1#comment-187070</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton vs McCain Would Not Be A Choice Worth Voting On - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has terrible records on all of these issues as I&#8217;ve discussed in multiple previous posts such as here. With regards to the issues which most matter to me there is very little difference between Hillary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has terrible records on all of these issues as I&#8217;ve discussed in multiple previous posts such as here. With regards to the issues which most matter to me there is very little difference between Hillary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Values &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Clinton Campaign Continues War of Distortion in Blogosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Values &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Clinton Campaign Continues War of Distortion in Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Post: Hillary Clinton and the Liberal Blogosphere Written by Ron Chusid Posted in Barack Obama, Blogosphere, Hillary Clinton, Politics [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChebonTenitkee</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3036&#038;cpage=1#comment-186767</link>
		<dc:creator>ChebonTenitkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I started this process hopeful, I am increasingly loathe to log on to these sites because of the queasy feeling I get from reading these posts.  I think Barack is the best person for The Job and I&#039;d be thrilled if he were the nominee, but...I&#039;m scared that the Hillbots will sabotage the process and actually prefer McBush to Barack as President.  The developments of the past weeks are stunning to me as a person who loves his country.  Don&#039;t these idiots realize that, when they advocate the sublimation of the democratic process to someone who &quot;deserves&quot; to be elected, they are traitors?  I just can&#039;t believe that most folks can&#039;t see how precarious the position of the US is in the world!  
Lex said:
Someone told me recently that the astrological signs point to bad, bad times for America. I’m not apt to go in for that kind of hocus pocus, but the historical signs don’t give any more positive outlooks than the stars do. It seems that the age of Aquarius might be better named the age of Fear and Loathing.
You think that&#039;s bad?!?  Google December 21, 2012 and see what you find.  Judgement Day looks more inevitable every minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I started this process hopeful, I am increasingly loathe to log on to these sites because of the queasy feeling I get from reading these posts.  I think Barack is the best person for The Job and I&#8217;d be thrilled if he were the nominee, but&#8230;I&#8217;m scared that the Hillbots will sabotage the process and actually prefer McBush to Barack as President.  The developments of the past weeks are stunning to me as a person who loves his country.  Don&#8217;t these idiots realize that, when they advocate the sublimation of the democratic process to someone who &#8220;deserves&#8221; to be elected, they are traitors?  I just can&#8217;t believe that most folks can&#8217;t see how precarious the position of the US is in the world!<br />
Lex said:<br />
Someone told me recently that the astrological signs point to bad, bad times for America. I’m not apt to go in for that kind of hocus pocus, but the historical signs don’t give any more positive outlooks than the stars do. It seems that the age of Aquarius might be better named the age of Fear and Loathing.<br />
You think that&#8217;s bad?!?  Google December 21, 2012 and see what you find.  Judgement Day looks more inevitable every minute.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3036&#038;cpage=1#comment-186766</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theodora,

There&#039;s no doubt that there are a number of abusive Clinton supporters on various blogs.

In writing this post I was considering the question as to why so many liberal bloggers oppose Clinton. There is a big difference between opposition and the type of conduct which Campskunk complains about, and such conduct should not be accepted from supporters of either candidate.

With regards to Campskunk&#039;s complaints that this goes on at Daily Kos, I am agreeing that if it goes on it is wrong, but I take no position as to the validity of the complaints. With regards to my blogging, I consider questions such as why Clinton is not an acceptable candidate to be worth spending time on. I&#039;m far less concerned about the specifics of the behavior at any one blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theodora,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that there are a number of abusive Clinton supporters on various blogs.</p>
<p>In writing this post I was considering the question as to why so many liberal bloggers oppose Clinton. There is a big difference between opposition and the type of conduct which Campskunk complains about, and such conduct should not be accepted from supporters of either candidate.</p>
<p>With regards to Campskunk&#8217;s complaints that this goes on at Daily Kos, I am agreeing that if it goes on it is wrong, but I take no position as to the validity of the complaints. With regards to my blogging, I consider questions such as why Clinton is not an acceptable candidate to be worth spending time on. I&#8217;m far less concerned about the specifics of the behavior at any one blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodora</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3036&#038;cpage=1#comment-186762</link>
		<dc:creator>Theodora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would take Campskunk&#039;s comments with a grain of salt and go read the boards myself before assuming that they are true. Having been the target of ugly, vitriolic, and nearly incoherent postings by Hillary supporters on various blogs (&quot;you deserve what&#039;s coming to you&quot; is a frequent favorite), I have to say that if Campskunk&#039;s portrayal is accurate, it&#039;s shameful, but aggressive, menacing behavior is hardly limited to Obama supporters.  Frankly, the entire Democratic party needs to be taken out to the woodshed; I can&#039;t see how, in the end, this is going to produce anything but a McCain landslide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take Campskunk&#8217;s comments with a grain of salt and go read the boards myself before assuming that they are true. Having been the target of ugly, vitriolic, and nearly incoherent postings by Hillary supporters on various blogs (&#8220;you deserve what&#8217;s coming to you&#8221; is a frequent favorite), I have to say that if Campskunk&#8217;s portrayal is accurate, it&#8217;s shameful, but aggressive, menacing behavior is hardly limited to Obama supporters.  Frankly, the entire Democratic party needs to be taken out to the woodshed; I can&#8217;t see how, in the end, this is going to produce anything but a McCain landslide.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, i&#039;m more than a little disturbed by Campskunk&#039;s relating of the doings transpiring over at Kos.  I&#039;ve never been a Kossack myself...mostly because it seems that posters there favor the one-liner comments.  I much prefer the novels one is apt to see at CarpetBagger.

It does go to show just how fractured things are becoming, and i can&#039;t see how that bodes well for the future...meaning November and beyond.

I think that it also suggests something deeper about the state of society in America.  While most people would never behave that way to the face of a real person, they&#039;ll say the most obscene things from the anonymous safety of an internet handle.  I worry that we may be approaching the day when people will interact this way...face to face.

Someone told me recently that the astrological signs point to bad, bad times for America.  I&#039;m not apt to go in for that kind of hocus pocus, but the historical signs don&#039;t give any more positive outlooks than the stars do.  It seems that the age of Aquarius might be better named the age of Fear and Loathing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, i&#8217;m more than a little disturbed by Campskunk&#8217;s relating of the doings transpiring over at Kos.  I&#8217;ve never been a Kossack myself&#8230;mostly because it seems that posters there favor the one-liner comments.  I much prefer the novels one is apt to see at CarpetBagger.</p>
<p>It does go to show just how fractured things are becoming, and i can&#8217;t see how that bodes well for the future&#8230;meaning November and beyond.</p>
<p>I think that it also suggests something deeper about the state of society in America.  While most people would never behave that way to the face of a real person, they&#8217;ll say the most obscene things from the anonymous safety of an internet handle.  I worry that we may be approaching the day when people will interact this way&#8230;face to face.</p>
<p>Someone told me recently that the astrological signs point to bad, bad times for America.  I&#8217;m not apt to go in for that kind of hocus pocus, but the historical signs don&#8217;t give any more positive outlooks than the stars do.  It seems that the age of Aquarius might be better named the age of Fear and Loathing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That does sound like it is over the top. If true, then it sounds like Clinton supporters would be best off posting elsewhere. While I support Obama over Clinton, after reading this last comment maybe I do sympathize with the Clinton supporters from the perspective of being able to post in peace and safety. 

I don&#039;t pay very much attention to Daily Kos (dating back to Kos&#039;s bias in the 2004 primaries) so I can&#039;t comment on the validity of this, but supporting Obama does not mean supporting everything Obama supporters do if these charges are true. 

I can sympathize with opponents of Clinton writing unfavorably about her positions and tactics at Daily Kos, but that would not justify seeking personal information on people. (That goes for Republicans, not just Clinton supporters. One of the reasons I left the blog I was at before starting this one was the posting of personal information on a Republican Senate staffer who wished to remain anonymous at the previous blog. Incidentally, that blog is now backing Clinton, which is no reflection on other Clinton supporters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does sound like it is over the top. If true, then it sounds like Clinton supporters would be best off posting elsewhere. While I support Obama over Clinton, after reading this last comment maybe I do sympathize with the Clinton supporters from the perspective of being able to post in peace and safety. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t pay very much attention to Daily Kos (dating back to Kos&#8217;s bias in the 2004 primaries) so I can&#8217;t comment on the validity of this, but supporting Obama does not mean supporting everything Obama supporters do if these charges are true. </p>
<p>I can sympathize with opponents of Clinton writing unfavorably about her positions and tactics at Daily Kos, but that would not justify seeking personal information on people. (That goes for Republicans, not just Clinton supporters. One of the reasons I left the blog I was at before starting this one was the posting of personal information on a Republican Senate staffer who wished to remain anonymous at the previous blog. Incidentally, that blog is now backing Clinton, which is no reflection on other Clinton supporters).</p>
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		<title>By: campskunk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there was a LOT of ugly stuff that precipitated this walkout. administrators on Kos have stood by while Obama supporters tried to find out real life information on Hillary supporters- their real names, where they lived and worked, etc. 

when i protested about someone commenting about a &quot;death wish&quot; in a thread about hillary, the administrators warned me, not the person posting the secret service bait! 

basic legal liability considerations have been ignored by the administrators at Kos in their zeal to support obama. i hope nobody gets hurt as a result of this, but it&#039;s not a safe place to post anymore the way things are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was a LOT of ugly stuff that precipitated this walkout. administrators on Kos have stood by while Obama supporters tried to find out real life information on Hillary supporters- their real names, where they lived and worked, etc. </p>
<p>when i protested about someone commenting about a &#8220;death wish&#8221; in a thread about hillary, the administrators warned me, not the person posting the secret service bait! </p>
<p>basic legal liability considerations have been ignored by the administrators at Kos in their zeal to support obama. i hope nobody gets hurt as a result of this, but it&#8217;s not a safe place to post anymore the way things are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Too often this campaign gets framed as Obama v. Clinton, with the most loyal/rabid supporters of each dominating the discussion.  For me (and apparently Mr. Chusid), this is deeper.  I like many of the things that Sen Obama says; i particularly like his call for We the People to take more responsibility for our government...though i wish he would sound that theme more often and louder.

But when it comes down to brass tacks, i would prefer anyone to Clinton.  I nearly punched through my monitor when i heard her talk about a Clinton cleaning up after a Bush.  Bill did no such thing.  I don&#039;t want anymore unitary executives; i don&#039;t want anymore moderate conservative policies dressed up with &quot;D&quot; in front of them; i simply do not want to be put through the Clintons again.  I wish i was ignorant enough to believe that the policies of Clinton did not lay the foundation for the current mess we live in, but alas, i am not.

Bush-Clinton-Bush has done enough damage; one more might be too much to recover from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Too often this campaign gets framed as Obama v. Clinton, with the most loyal/rabid supporters of each dominating the discussion.  For me (and apparently Mr. Chusid), this is deeper.  I like many of the things that Sen Obama says; i particularly like his call for We the People to take more responsibility for our government&#8230;though i wish he would sound that theme more often and louder.</p>
<p>But when it comes down to brass tacks, i would prefer anyone to Clinton.  I nearly punched through my monitor when i heard her talk about a Clinton cleaning up after a Bush.  Bill did no such thing.  I don&#8217;t want anymore unitary executives; i don&#8217;t want anymore moderate conservative policies dressed up with &#8220;D&#8221; in front of them; i simply do not want to be put through the Clintons again.  I wish i was ignorant enough to believe that the policies of Clinton did not lay the foundation for the current mess we live in, but alas, i am not.</p>
<p>Bush-Clinton-Bush has done enough damage; one more might be too much to recover from.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should see the filth written about Barack Obama at the DemocraticUnderground, AKA, the HillaryUnderground.

The relentless, dishonest and racist rants posted by the Hillbots is stunning in scope and bordering on the demonic.

In fact, on the rare occasion when someone dares to post an anti-Hillary thread, one of the Hillary-loving moderators locks it down so that no one can post to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should see the filth written about Barack Obama at the DemocraticUnderground, AKA, the HillaryUnderground.</p>
<p>The relentless, dishonest and racist rants posted by the Hillbots is stunning in scope and bordering on the demonic.</p>
<p>In fact, on the rare occasion when someone dares to post an anti-Hillary thread, one of the Hillary-loving moderators locks it down so that no one can post to it.</p>
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