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		<title>By: Clinton Loses Supporter to Obama In Response To Clinton Smear Campaign - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton Loses Supporter to Obama In Response To Clinton Smear Campaign - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Reich on Bill Clinton’s Smear Campaign The Clinton Circus Act Slick Willie Rides Again The Clintons, Race, And Smearing Obama Hillary Clinton, The Republican Democrat There She Goes Again (Hillary Clinton vs. the Truth) Eric Zorn Exposes Clinton Lies Why Bill Clinton Has Spent The Last Several Days Spreading Lies Factcheck.org Verifies Obama Side of the Reagan Controversy Fact Checking The South Carolina Debate  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidHillary Clinton Continues To Defy Party in Florida - January 29th, 2008Obama Picks Up Support of Super Delegate - January 29th, 2008Andrew Sullivan&#039;s Insight into Obama - January 28th, 2008Toni Morrison Endorses Barack Obama - January 28th, 2008Ted Kennedy Endorses Barack Obama, Debunking Clinton Talking Points - January 28th, 2008 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Robert Reich on Bill Clinton’s Smear Campaign The Clinton Circus Act Slick Willie Rides Again The Clintons, Race, And Smearing Obama Hillary Clinton, The Republican Democrat There She Goes Again (Hillary Clinton vs. the Truth) Eric Zorn Exposes Clinton Lies Why Bill Clinton Has Spent The Last Several Days Spreading Lies Factcheck.org Verifies Obama Side of the Reagan Controversy Fact Checking The South Carolina Debate  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidHillary Clinton Continues To Defy Party in Florida &#8211; January 29th, 2008Obama Picks Up Support of Super Delegate &#8211; January 29th, 2008Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s Insight into Obama &#8211; January 28th, 2008Toni Morrison Endorses Barack Obama &#8211; January 28th, 2008Ted Kennedy Endorses Barack Obama, Debunking Clinton Talking Points &#8211; January 28th, 2008 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick W. Greene</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2759&#038;cpage=1#comment-168691</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick W. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bill and Hillary lie now, what makes you think they will tell the truth if the occupy the White House. Truth in politics yea right that&#039;s why we have such great ethics laws.

Perhaps they need to read the read the &quot; Declaration of Independence &quot; but this time try to understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bill and Hillary lie now, what makes you think they will tell the truth if the occupy the White House. Truth in politics yea right that&#8217;s why we have such great ethics laws.</p>
<p>Perhaps they need to read the read the &#8221; Declaration of Independence &#8221; but this time try to understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bess Horsefall</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2759&#038;cpage=1#comment-168403</link>
		<dc:creator>Bess Horsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mask of the dysfunctional Clinton duo is melting off their faces.  The psychological trauma Bill put his wife and the nation through is being rubbed in our faces with their arrogant behavior that assumes Hillary deserves the office. I don&#039;t mean to be mean, but if we don&#039;t set a person in the office of president who can reverse our foreign policy reputation, nothing we want to do domestically matters too much.

Bill Clinton was the laughing stock of the world, even if noone said so aloud.  I&#039;m afraid the psychodrama of his behavior and Hillary&#039;s rage is not what we need in the White House.

Senator Obama is the best man running to go out into the world and inspire a change in foreign relations on every front.  I&#039;ll be sick with anyone else and their egotistical agendas...Aaaack.

And, please, can someone tell me why anyone in the black community thinks they owe anything to Hillary Clinton?  Why do women think she should lead after submitting to Bill just so she could have a crack at the presidency?  I&#039;m sorry, but I think she is in this for the wrong reasons and her &quot;act&quot; is fading fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mask of the dysfunctional Clinton duo is melting off their faces.  The psychological trauma Bill put his wife and the nation through is being rubbed in our faces with their arrogant behavior that assumes Hillary deserves the office. I don&#8217;t mean to be mean, but if we don&#8217;t set a person in the office of president who can reverse our foreign policy reputation, nothing we want to do domestically matters too much.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton was the laughing stock of the world, even if noone said so aloud.  I&#8217;m afraid the psychodrama of his behavior and Hillary&#8217;s rage is not what we need in the White House.</p>
<p>Senator Obama is the best man running to go out into the world and inspire a change in foreign relations on every front.  I&#8217;ll be sick with anyone else and their egotistical agendas&#8230;Aaaack.</p>
<p>And, please, can someone tell me why anyone in the black community thinks they owe anything to Hillary Clinton?  Why do women think she should lead after submitting to Bill just so she could have a crack at the presidency?  I&#8217;m sorry, but I think she is in this for the wrong reasons and her &#8220;act&#8221; is fading fast.</p>
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		<title>By: markg8</title>
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		<dc:creator>markg8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Bill Clinton today when speaking to the CNN reporter:

&quot;Voters aren&#039;t interested in pushback against or factchecking of our lies and distortions about Obama. At least not any I just talked to. They want to hear you echo our lies and distortions.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Bill Clinton today when speaking to the CNN reporter:</p>
<p>&#8220;Voters aren&#8217;t interested in pushback against or factchecking of our lies and distortions about Obama. At least not any I just talked to. They want to hear you echo our lies and distortions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2759&#038;cpage=1#comment-168342</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What tit for tat?

The Clintons resorted to injecting racism into the campaign to try to stop Obama. There&#039;s no misinterpretation here. This was an intentional act by the campaign, and Obama responded to it.

All the lying is coming from Bill, Hillary, and their apologists. Obama has done absolutely nothing which comes close to the manner in which th Clintons have outright lied about what Obama said about Reagan, or outright lied in their mails on Social Security policies. Nor has anything Obama said come close to the Clinton first lying about their own positions on Iraq and then trying to rewrite Obama&#039;s position.

There is no tit for tat at all. This also has nothing to do with worshiping Obama. It is about opposing people who are ethically unfit to be president, such as Hillary Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What tit for tat?</p>
<p>The Clintons resorted to injecting racism into the campaign to try to stop Obama. There&#8217;s no misinterpretation here. This was an intentional act by the campaign, and Obama responded to it.</p>
<p>All the lying is coming from Bill, Hillary, and their apologists. Obama has done absolutely nothing which comes close to the manner in which th Clintons have outright lied about what Obama said about Reagan, or outright lied in their mails on Social Security policies. Nor has anything Obama said come close to the Clinton first lying about their own positions on Iraq and then trying to rewrite Obama&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>There is no tit for tat at all. This also has nothing to do with worshiping Obama. It is about opposing people who are ethically unfit to be president, such as Hillary Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Mich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you won&#039;t let this stay or be posted but...for the sake of liberal values and fair play, I&#039;ll try it anyway. 

Sorry, I don&#039;t see any difference than what the Clinton&#039;s are saying than what Obama&#039;s team did with Hillary&#039;s statement about LBJ and MLK and how the Obama team went out of their way to foment uproar about that. And gladly, GLADLY &quot;misinterpreted&quot; and &quot;misconstrued&quot; to the extreme and used it to whatever benefit they could get out of it. And boy, did they win on that one. Believe me, now that was a calculated political move. Obama saw the jugular and went for it. 

So, Hillary lied? Bill lied? Sorry, no more than the Obama team has done on numerous occasions against them in this smear campaign that has been going on, obviously both here and around the blogosphere...all with Obama turning a blind eye and PRETENDING his hands are clean. 

Get over it. You know better. This is tit for tat. And that&#039;s the way political campaigns are done. 

And, ah, yes, think of Reagan in your worship of Obama. Beware the teflon you give your gods. It&#039;ll come back to bite you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you won&#8217;t let this stay or be posted but&#8230;for the sake of liberal values and fair play, I&#8217;ll try it anyway. </p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t see any difference than what the Clinton&#8217;s are saying than what Obama&#8217;s team did with Hillary&#8217;s statement about LBJ and MLK and how the Obama team went out of their way to foment uproar about that. And gladly, GLADLY &#8220;misinterpreted&#8221; and &#8220;misconstrued&#8221; to the extreme and used it to whatever benefit they could get out of it. And boy, did they win on that one. Believe me, now that was a calculated political move. Obama saw the jugular and went for it. </p>
<p>So, Hillary lied? Bill lied? Sorry, no more than the Obama team has done on numerous occasions against them in this smear campaign that has been going on, obviously both here and around the blogosphere&#8230;all with Obama turning a blind eye and PRETENDING his hands are clean. </p>
<p>Get over it. You know better. This is tit for tat. And that&#8217;s the way political campaigns are done. </p>
<p>And, ah, yes, think of Reagan in your worship of Obama. Beware the teflon you give your gods. It&#8217;ll come back to bite you</p>
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		<title>By: Luv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s astounding that the Clintons don&#039;t realize that they guarantee that they&#039;ll lose the general if they get the nomination. Vast swaths of the progressive movement is so disgusted by them that they WILL NOT support them in the general.

I know, I&#039;m one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s astounding that the Clintons don&#8217;t realize that they guarantee that they&#8217;ll lose the general if they get the nomination. Vast swaths of the progressive movement is so disgusted by them that they WILL NOT support them in the general.</p>
<p>I know, I&#8217;m one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gracie,

Agree that the Clintons are posing a danger to our democracy by the dishonest manner in which they campaign. Republicans have posed this same danger for the last several years and we must not fall in line to support the Democratic candidate when she performes the same acts which I have been protesting from Republicans. I also have no confidence the Clintons would be any less dishonest in office should Hillary win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gracie,</p>
<p>Agree that the Clintons are posing a danger to our democracy by the dishonest manner in which they campaign. Republicans have posed this same danger for the last several years and we must not fall in line to support the Democratic candidate when she performes the same acts which I have been protesting from Republicans. I also have no confidence the Clintons would be any less dishonest in office should Hillary win.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

This post was written very quickly in limited time when I was briefly checking the news and found about this latest example. Obviously I intended to write Clinton supporter, and have corrected the post.

I also hope that readers realize that my choice of title was a quick way of figuratively giving the finger to those who act like any reference to Ronald Reagan, regardless of the context, is in itself a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>This post was written very quickly in limited time when I was briefly checking the news and found about this latest example. Obviously I intended to write Clinton supporter, and have corrected the post.</p>
<p>I also hope that readers realize that my choice of title was a quick way of figuratively giving the finger to those who act like any reference to Ronald Reagan, regardless of the context, is in itself a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Clinton political motto is:


STRONG and WRONG beats Weak and Right.

It&#039;s true.  

It&#039;s ugly too.

Obama is at a disadvantage because he does not have a surrogate attack dog to go after Bill Clinton.

Although Barack is right on the issues and right on his position about the ugliness of the campaign, no one in the Democratic party has the courage of conviction to stand up and denounce WJC who is a popular former President, the titular head of the party and the first 2 term Democratic President in the past 40 years.  

No one has the guts to take on Bill for the good of the party because of the potential political costs to themselves, if the Clintons should take back the WH.

If someone did have the political courage, they would lead a superdelegate insurgency to ensure that Hillary could not get the nomination.

Unfortunately, no one in the Democratic Party has the testicular fortitude to do what is best for our country and our democracy.  Al Gore and Teddy Kennedy have the political clout but apparently lack the political will to do so.

Someone needs to get Gore to speak up before super Tuesday by reminding him of what he said in his book Assault on Reason:



Why do reason, logic and truth seem to play a sharply diminished role in the way America now makes important decisions?” The persistent and sustained reliance on falsehoods as the basis of policy, even in the face of massive and well-understood evidence to the contrary, seems to many Americans to have reached levels that were previously unimaginable.

A large and growing number of Americans are asking out loud: “What has happened to our country?” People are trying to figure out what has gone wrong in our democracy, and how we can fix it.

…

It is too easy—and too partisan—to simply place the blame on the policies of President George W. Bush. We are all responsible for the decisions our country makes. We have a Congress. We have an independent judiciary. We have checks and balances. We are a nation of laws. We have free speech. We have a free press. Have they all failed us? Why has America’s public discourse become less focused and clear, less reasoned? Faith in the power of reason—the belief that free citizens can govern themselves wisely and fairly by resorting to logical debate on the basis of the best evidence available, instead of raw power—remains the central premise of American democracy. This premise is now under assault.

American democracy is now in danger—not from any one set of ideas, but from unprecedented changes in the environment within which ideas either live and spread, or wither and die. I do not mean the physical environment; I mean what is called the public sphere, or the marketplace of ideas.

It is simply no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Clinton political motto is:</p>
<p>STRONG and WRONG beats Weak and Right.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ugly too.</p>
<p>Obama is at a disadvantage because he does not have a surrogate attack dog to go after Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>Although Barack is right on the issues and right on his position about the ugliness of the campaign, no one in the Democratic party has the courage of conviction to stand up and denounce WJC who is a popular former President, the titular head of the party and the first 2 term Democratic President in the past 40 years.  </p>
<p>No one has the guts to take on Bill for the good of the party because of the potential political costs to themselves, if the Clintons should take back the WH.</p>
<p>If someone did have the political courage, they would lead a superdelegate insurgency to ensure that Hillary could not get the nomination.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, no one in the Democratic Party has the testicular fortitude to do what is best for our country and our democracy.  Al Gore and Teddy Kennedy have the political clout but apparently lack the political will to do so.</p>
<p>Someone needs to get Gore to speak up before super Tuesday by reminding him of what he said in his book Assault on Reason:</p>
<p>Why do reason, logic and truth seem to play a sharply diminished role in the way America now makes important decisions?” The persistent and sustained reliance on falsehoods as the basis of policy, even in the face of massive and well-understood evidence to the contrary, seems to many Americans to have reached levels that were previously unimaginable.</p>
<p>A large and growing number of Americans are asking out loud: “What has happened to our country?” People are trying to figure out what has gone wrong in our democracy, and how we can fix it.</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>It is too easy—and too partisan—to simply place the blame on the policies of President George W. Bush. We are all responsible for the decisions our country makes. We have a Congress. We have an independent judiciary. We have checks and balances. We are a nation of laws. We have free speech. We have a free press. Have they all failed us? Why has America’s public discourse become less focused and clear, less reasoned? Faith in the power of reason—the belief that free citizens can govern themselves wisely and fairly by resorting to logical debate on the basis of the best evidence available, instead of raw power—remains the central premise of American democracy. This premise is now under assault.</p>
<p>American democracy is now in danger—not from any one set of ideas, but from unprecedented changes in the environment within which ideas either live and spread, or wither and die. I do not mean the physical environment; I mean what is called the public sphere, or the marketplace of ideas.</p>
<p>It is simply no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Chusid,
Good post. You&#039;ve been very spot on in calling out the crap that Clinton&#039;s have been doing. One minor correction above, though...you mistakenly labeled Taylor Marsh as an Obama supporter, which she most definitely is NOT. 

She is, however, shrill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Chusid,<br />
Good post. You&#8217;ve been very spot on in calling out the crap that Clinton&#8217;s have been doing. One minor correction above, though&#8230;you mistakenly labeled Taylor Marsh as an Obama supporter, which she most definitely is NOT. </p>
<p>She is, however, shrill.</p>
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