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		<title>By: Bob Barr Repudiates Racist Endorsement Showing Contrast with Ron Paul - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Barr Repudiates Racist Endorsement Showing Contrast with Ron Paul - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] draw the line. While Ron Paul received considerable criticism, including from libertarians, for his associations with right wing extremists, Barr most likely realizes associating with the extreme right will prevent his campaign from being [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Paul Exposed by The New Republic - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Paul Exposed by The New Republic - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The evidence of Paul&#8217;s extremism has been widely available on line. What is disturbing is the response from his supporters. When I&#8217;ve had posts on such topics the bulk of the responses supported the bigoted writings and expressed similar racism, anti-Semitism, or belief in conspiracy theories. Some responses came from more conventional libertarians who found ways to justify Paul&#8217;s writings and the acceptance of contributions from people such as Don Black. By finding excuses for Paul&#8217;s acts, these so-called libertarians help blur the line which has separated such racism and anti-Semitism as attitudes which have been considered unacceptable in our society. A campaign which started with well-deserved opposition to the Iraq war has turned into one where the main freedom they are defending is the freedom to discriminate and oppress. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The evidence of Paul&#8217;s extremism has been widely available on line. What is disturbing is the response from his supporters. When I&#8217;ve had posts on such topics the bulk of the responses supported the bigoted writings and expressed similar racism, anti-Semitism, or belief in conspiracy theories. Some responses came from more conventional libertarians who found ways to justify Paul&#8217;s writings and the acceptance of contributions from people such as Don Black. By finding excuses for Paul&#8217;s acts, these so-called libertarians help blur the line which has separated such racism and anti-Semitism as attitudes which have been considered unacceptable in our society. A campaign which started with well-deserved opposition to the Iraq war has turned into one where the main freedom they are defending is the freedom to discriminate and oppress. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reactions to Ron Paul on Meet the Press - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reactions to Ron Paul on Meet the Press - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 04:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I&#8217;ve noted several times, the questions of a connection between Paul and white supremacists, along with neo-Nazis, are Paul&#8217;s own fault in light of the racist writings in his newsletter and Paul&#8217;s failure to return the contribution of Stormfront founder Don Black once this was identified. The frequency with which Paul&#8217;s supporters spam the internet with racist and anti-Semitic comments also adds to this perception even if Paul cannot necessarily be blamed for the views of his supporters. As long as Paul and his supporters fail to see what is wrong with their actions they verify suspicions regarding their lack of principles. Even if Paul himself does not share their views, his acceptance of such supporters is troubling enough.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidThe Upsides to Mike Huckabee - December 24th, 2007Trolling the Web - December 24th, 2007Bush Administration Warned About Blackwater and Other Private Firms - December 24th, 2007Obama Receives Two More Endorsements  - December 24th, 2007Clinton Backer Taylor Marsh Recycles Republican Talking Points Against Obama - December 23rd, 2007 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I&#8217;ve noted several times, the questions of a connection between Paul and white supremacists, along with neo-Nazis, are Paul&#8217;s own fault in light of the racist writings in his newsletter and Paul&#8217;s failure to return the contribution of Stormfront founder Don Black once this was identified. The frequency with which Paul&#8217;s supporters spam the internet with racist and anti-Semitic comments also adds to this perception even if Paul cannot necessarily be blamed for the views of his supporters. As long as Paul and his supporters fail to see what is wrong with their actions they verify suspicions regarding their lack of principles. Even if Paul himself does not share their views, his acceptance of such supporters is troubling enough.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidThe Upsides to Mike Huckabee &#8211; December 24th, 2007Trolling the Web &#8211; December 24th, 2007Bush Administration Warned About Blackwater and Other Private Firms &#8211; December 24th, 2007Obama Receives Two More Endorsements  &#8211; December 24th, 2007Clinton Backer Taylor Marsh Recycles Republican Talking Points Against Obama &#8211; December 23rd, 2007 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Festivus Airing of Grievances - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-154745</link>
		<dc:creator>The Festivus Airing of Grievances - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Paul: Unlike the other Republican candidates you are right on Iraq and civil liberties, but anyone who takes opposing the federal government as the default position on all issues is bound to be right quite often. Your defense of the Constitution would make more sense if you were defending the Constitution as the framers actually intended it as opposed to ignoring those aspects which you personally disagree with, such as separation of church and state. Denial of this basic principle, as well as your views on states rights could lead to less as opposed to more freedom in much of the country. Your denial of basic science seen in your uninformed comments on evolution, along with your belief in ridiculous conspiracy theories raises serious concerns about whether you are out of touch with reality. Your ethics are also questioned when you fail to understand why a contribution from a white supremacist should be returned. Your past writings about blacks being prone to violence and lacking sensible opinions only exacerbates these concerns, which are not relieved by your claims that your newsletter was actually authored by others. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ron Paul: Unlike the other Republican candidates you are right on Iraq and civil liberties, but anyone who takes opposing the federal government as the default position on all issues is bound to be right quite often. Your defense of the Constitution would make more sense if you were defending the Constitution as the framers actually intended it as opposed to ignoring those aspects which you personally disagree with, such as separation of church and state. Denial of this basic principle, as well as your views on states rights could lead to less as opposed to more freedom in much of the country. Your denial of basic science seen in your uninformed comments on evolution, along with your belief in ridiculous conspiracy theories raises serious concerns about whether you are out of touch with reality. Your ethics are also questioned when you fail to understand why a contribution from a white supremacist should be returned. Your past writings about blacks being prone to violence and lacking sensible opinions only exacerbates these concerns, which are not relieved by your claims that your newsletter was actually authored by others. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allegations of Connections to Extermists Continue Regarding Ron Paul - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-153152</link>
		<dc:creator>Allegations of Connections to Extermists Continue Regarding Ron Paul - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Questions continue to be raised regarding Ron Paul&#8217;s relationship to white supremacist organizations. Paul has been unable to avoid allegations of racism due to a combination of racist writings in his newsletter under his byline (which he says were written by someone else) and his refusal to return a contribution from Stormfront founder Don Black. While Stormfront has endorsed Paul, there have been conflicting regarding Paul&#8217;s relationship to the group. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Questions continue to be raised regarding Ron Paul&#8217;s relationship to white supremacist organizations. Paul has been unable to avoid allegations of racism due to a combination of racist writings in his newsletter under his byline (which he says were written by someone else) and his refusal to return a contribution from Stormfront founder Don Black. While Stormfront has endorsed Paul, there have been conflicting regarding Paul&#8217;s relationship to the group. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Egosumabbas</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152960</link>
		<dc:creator>Egosumabbas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have media/press credentials, you might want to ask Dr. Paul that Jim Crow question yourself, I&#039;m not qualified to answer it further.  You might be surprised at how accessible he is.  I&#039;ll check out your ad post now, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have media/press credentials, you might want to ask Dr. Paul that Jim Crow question yourself, I&#8217;m not qualified to answer it further.  You might be surprised at how accessible he is.  I&#8217;ll check out your ad post now, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152938</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egosumabbas,

Women currently have abortion rights under existing law so there is nothing to &quot;clear up.&quot; 

I&#039;m not so sure from Paul&#039;s writings that he would see Jim Crow laws as being illegal or that he would support intervention by the federal government. (Obviously the views of his supporters has no real bearing on Paul&#039;s own views but I&#039;ve also been disappointed to have many discussions with his supporters here where they tend to come down on the side of opposing any federal legislation in such situations.) 

I should have a post up on Paul&#039;s latest ad in a few minutes if you are interested.</description>
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<p>Women currently have abortion rights under existing law so there is nothing to &#8220;clear up.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure from Paul&#8217;s writings that he would see Jim Crow laws as being illegal or that he would support intervention by the federal government. (Obviously the views of his supporters has no real bearing on Paul&#8217;s own views but I&#8217;ve also been disappointed to have many discussions with his supporters here where they tend to come down on the side of opposing any federal legislation in such situations.) </p>
<p>I should have a post up on Paul&#8217;s latest ad in a few minutes if you are interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Egosumabbas</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152933</link>
		<dc:creator>Egosumabbas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyone who would imprison doctors for performing abortions is not a consistent supporter of freedom.&quot;

You still haven&#039;t cleared up on how a woman&#039;s right to property trumps the right of existence of a fetus.  In order for that to happen, either a court or a legislative body has to decide that a fetus is not a human with full legal rights.  

&quot;You assume that no state would enact Jim Crow laws but what if you are wrong, or attitudes change? There would be nothing to stop them with Paul’s extreme view of states’ rights.&quot;

When talking about Jim Crow laws, those are illegal under the constitution&#039;s equal protection clause, and so the federal government can strike them down.  The only way out of it is for a state to secede.  A state has the right to secede in order to avoid following the constitution, but loses the benefit of free trade and military protection, among many other things. So yes, she is correct, that is a red herring.

In any case, in a free market, a store that tries to block on group or another from participating is ultimately going to lose out to another store that welcomes anybody.  This is *WHY* Jim Crow laws were passed in the first place - to trample economic freedoms by preventing businesses from giving adequate service to minorities.  It is simply redundant to pass laws that say you MUST serve everybody; there is already an incentive to do so!  No law should either positively or negatively discriminate.  There will be unintended consequences, such as a person being fired for being a poor performer, then claiming it was because they had green skin with pink polka dots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyone who would imprison doctors for performing abortions is not a consistent supporter of freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t cleared up on how a woman&#8217;s right to property trumps the right of existence of a fetus.  In order for that to happen, either a court or a legislative body has to decide that a fetus is not a human with full legal rights.  </p>
<p>&#8220;You assume that no state would enact Jim Crow laws but what if you are wrong, or attitudes change? There would be nothing to stop them with Paul’s extreme view of states’ rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>When talking about Jim Crow laws, those are illegal under the constitution&#8217;s equal protection clause, and so the federal government can strike them down.  The only way out of it is for a state to secede.  A state has the right to secede in order to avoid following the constitution, but loses the benefit of free trade and military protection, among many other things. So yes, she is correct, that is a red herring.</p>
<p>In any case, in a free market, a store that tries to block on group or another from participating is ultimately going to lose out to another store that welcomes anybody.  This is *WHY* Jim Crow laws were passed in the first place &#8211; to trample economic freedoms by preventing businesses from giving adequate service to minorities.  It is simply redundant to pass laws that say you MUST serve everybody; there is already an incentive to do so!  No law should either positively or negatively discriminate.  There will be unintended consequences, such as a person being fired for being a poor performer, then claiming it was because they had green skin with pink polka dots.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To argue that Mr. Paul should return the money is to argue that Mr. Black should be stripped of his rights as a citizen.&quot;

That&#039;s rather absurd. Ron Paul doesn&#039;t have the ability to strip anyone of his rights as a citizen. Having his donation returned would not affect his rights as a citizen at all. There have been plenty of other cases of people having donations returned and they continued to live with their full rights as citizens.

&quot;Whether you like it or not, a large number of individuals do NOT agree with abortion rights and view them as fundamentally incompatible with the rights of the unborn and Mr. Paul is not going to impose his values on EITHER group.&quot;

The fact that some people do not believe that women have the right to control their own body is no more relevant than if some people do not agree that others have freedom of speech. When Paul acts to make abortion illegal, he is imposing his views on others and restricting their rights. Anyone who would imprison doctors for performing abortions is not a consistent supporter of freedom. Paul has also supported federal legislation to override state law regarding abortion, also contradicting his views on states&#039; rights.

&quot;When it comes to “Jim Crow” laws, that is a red herring. &quot;

Not at all. You assume that no state would enact Jim Crow laws but what if you are wrong, or attitudes change? There would be nothing to stop them with Paul&#039;s extreme view of states&#039; rights. In addition, if we had lived under Paul&#039;s principles, the Jim Crow laws would never have been abolished in the first place. This is one case where government did act to protect freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To argue that Mr. Paul should return the money is to argue that Mr. Black should be stripped of his rights as a citizen.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s rather absurd. Ron Paul doesn&#8217;t have the ability to strip anyone of his rights as a citizen. Having his donation returned would not affect his rights as a citizen at all. There have been plenty of other cases of people having donations returned and they continued to live with their full rights as citizens.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whether you like it or not, a large number of individuals do NOT agree with abortion rights and view them as fundamentally incompatible with the rights of the unborn and Mr. Paul is not going to impose his values on EITHER group.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that some people do not believe that women have the right to control their own body is no more relevant than if some people do not agree that others have freedom of speech. When Paul acts to make abortion illegal, he is imposing his views on others and restricting their rights. Anyone who would imprison doctors for performing abortions is not a consistent supporter of freedom. Paul has also supported federal legislation to override state law regarding abortion, also contradicting his views on states&#8217; rights.</p>
<p>&#8220;When it comes to “Jim Crow” laws, that is a red herring. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all. You assume that no state would enact Jim Crow laws but what if you are wrong, or attitudes change? There would be nothing to stop them with Paul&#8217;s extreme view of states&#8217; rights. In addition, if we had lived under Paul&#8217;s principles, the Jim Crow laws would never have been abolished in the first place. This is one case where government did act to protect freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo-Nazi Leader Outs Ron Paul - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo-Nazi Leader Outs Ron Paul - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freda Nightengale</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152705</link>
		<dc:creator>Freda Nightengale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a democratic society, the giving of money reflects only on the donor, not the cause being donated to.  Whether it is liked or not, racist individuals have the right to donate money to campaigns and campaigns really should not be in the position of determining the reasons behind the donation.  The freedom that Mr. Paul espouses is one that protects the liberty of the most nefarious individuals, such as Mr. Black, to do what they choose to do within the confines of the law.  To argue that Mr. Paul should return the money is to argue that Mr. Black should be stripped of his rights as a citizen.  Since Mr. Black has not broken the law to the extent as to strip him of his rights as a citizen to donate, Mr. Paul is not only within his rights not to return the money or donate it to charity but instead did the ONLY right and proper thing to do: kept the money.  If liberals (or conservatives) do not like that, they need to change the law and disenfranchise people based on racist belief.  Unfortunately for liberals, that would violate the concept of freedom of speech.

Ron Paul has attracted his source of nuts but he has also emphatically distanced himself from them by his public statements. Furthermore, a true reading of his writings will reveal NO racist tendencies whatsoever.  Toleration of racism and allowance of racism is far different from being racist oneself.

As an African-American woman, I support Ron Paul and his call for liberty and a strict interpretation of the Constitution.  Mr. Paul calls for abolition of Roe v. Wade, as do almost all of the Republican candidates (Guiliani being the lone exception) but Mr. Paul is NOT for imposing his belief (that life begins at conception) on states that wish to enact laws to protect choice.  Similarly, Mr. Paul does not call for a Constitutional Amendment eliminating gay marriage, even though he personally disagrees with it.  In other words, under a Paul administration, the FEDERAL government retreats but the state governments can fill the void.  Whether you like it or not, a large number of individuals do NOT agree with abortion rights and view them as fundamentally incompatible with the rights of the unborn and Mr. Paul is not going to impose his values on EITHER group.

When it comes to &quot;Jim Crow&quot; laws, that is a red herring.  NO STATE in the United States is going to enact such laws in the present day because the attitudes of the public have been changed.  And anyone who levies a charge of racism against Dr. Paul had better remember that his first choice for a vice-presidential nominee is an African-American man, Walter Williams.

Indeed, the real problem is not for the federal government to impose its &quot;liberal&quot; values on the states but for it to impose its &quot;conservative&quot; value on the states.  Under Ron Paul, that won&#039;t happen.  For example, Ron Paul won&#039;t deny medical marijuana to the sick in California.  Remember that government intervention is a two-edged sword.  Indeed, if truth be known, government cannot enact freedom, it is, always and everywhere, its antithesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a democratic society, the giving of money reflects only on the donor, not the cause being donated to.  Whether it is liked or not, racist individuals have the right to donate money to campaigns and campaigns really should not be in the position of determining the reasons behind the donation.  The freedom that Mr. Paul espouses is one that protects the liberty of the most nefarious individuals, such as Mr. Black, to do what they choose to do within the confines of the law.  To argue that Mr. Paul should return the money is to argue that Mr. Black should be stripped of his rights as a citizen.  Since Mr. Black has not broken the law to the extent as to strip him of his rights as a citizen to donate, Mr. Paul is not only within his rights not to return the money or donate it to charity but instead did the ONLY right and proper thing to do: kept the money.  If liberals (or conservatives) do not like that, they need to change the law and disenfranchise people based on racist belief.  Unfortunately for liberals, that would violate the concept of freedom of speech.</p>
<p>Ron Paul has attracted his source of nuts but he has also emphatically distanced himself from them by his public statements. Furthermore, a true reading of his writings will reveal NO racist tendencies whatsoever.  Toleration of racism and allowance of racism is far different from being racist oneself.</p>
<p>As an African-American woman, I support Ron Paul and his call for liberty and a strict interpretation of the Constitution.  Mr. Paul calls for abolition of Roe v. Wade, as do almost all of the Republican candidates (Guiliani being the lone exception) but Mr. Paul is NOT for imposing his belief (that life begins at conception) on states that wish to enact laws to protect choice.  Similarly, Mr. Paul does not call for a Constitutional Amendment eliminating gay marriage, even though he personally disagrees with it.  In other words, under a Paul administration, the FEDERAL government retreats but the state governments can fill the void.  Whether you like it or not, a large number of individuals do NOT agree with abortion rights and view them as fundamentally incompatible with the rights of the unborn and Mr. Paul is not going to impose his values on EITHER group.</p>
<p>When it comes to &#8220;Jim Crow&#8221; laws, that is a red herring.  NO STATE in the United States is going to enact such laws in the present day because the attitudes of the public have been changed.  And anyone who levies a charge of racism against Dr. Paul had better remember that his first choice for a vice-presidential nominee is an African-American man, Walter Williams.</p>
<p>Indeed, the real problem is not for the federal government to impose its &#8220;liberal&#8221; values on the states but for it to impose its &#8220;conservative&#8221; value on the states.  Under Ron Paul, that won&#8217;t happen.  For example, Ron Paul won&#8217;t deny medical marijuana to the sick in California.  Remember that government intervention is a two-edged sword.  Indeed, if truth be known, government cannot enact freedom, it is, always and everywhere, its antithesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152600</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egosumabbas,

Paul and his supporters can continue to try to spin this but what you fail to comprehend is that nobody but Paul supporters think the justifications make the slightest bit of sense. There is universal agreement from the left, right, and center that a contribution of this type, once identified, must be returned. His failure to do so is perceived by most as a lack of both ethics and judgment at very least as well as keeping alive the questions of racism. In light of his writings Paul especially needs to avoid any connection to such organizations. 

Paul needs to consider what he wants to stand for on this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egosumabbas,</p>
<p>Paul and his supporters can continue to try to spin this but what you fail to comprehend is that nobody but Paul supporters think the justifications make the slightest bit of sense. There is universal agreement from the left, right, and center that a contribution of this type, once identified, must be returned. His failure to do so is perceived by most as a lack of both ethics and judgment at very least as well as keeping alive the questions of racism. In light of his writings Paul especially needs to avoid any connection to such organizations. </p>
<p>Paul needs to consider what he wants to stand for on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Egosumabbas</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152580</link>
		<dc:creator>Egosumabbas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caveat: if the money donated is a product of theft, it should be returned immediately, such as the case of Norman Hsu.</description>
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		<title>By: Egosumabbas</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152579</link>
		<dc:creator>Egosumabbas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians should not be judged by their supporters but merely on their own ideas.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll find some ecoterrorists and other undesirables supporting Democratic candidates if you look hard enough. Pat Robertson just gave his endorsement for Giuliani, and he&#039;s a Christian Nationalist. Does that mean that Giuliani thinks that 9/11 happened because of &quot;pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the American Civil Liberties Union and the People For the American Way&quot;? Not at all. You also have polar opposites of Nazi&#039;s giving money to Paul; a brothel in Nevada and Andrew Sullivan for example. Returning their money just gives them more press coverage and their money back.  It&#039;s all just political stunts and CYA on the part of everybody.  Isn&#039;t it enough to say &quot;Thanks for the money, by the way I hate you and think you&#039;re 500 dollars poorer&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians should not be judged by their supporters but merely on their own ideas.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll find some ecoterrorists and other undesirables supporting Democratic candidates if you look hard enough. Pat Robertson just gave his endorsement for Giuliani, and he&#8217;s a Christian Nationalist. Does that mean that Giuliani thinks that 9/11 happened because of &#8220;pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the American Civil Liberties Union and the People For the American Way&#8221;? Not at all. You also have polar opposites of Nazi&#8217;s giving money to Paul; a brothel in Nevada and Andrew Sullivan for example. Returning their money just gives them more press coverage and their money back.  It&#8217;s all just political stunts and CYA on the part of everybody.  Isn&#8217;t it enough to say &#8220;Thanks for the money, by the way I hate you and think you&#8217;re 500 dollars poorer&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2552&#038;cpage=1#comment-152324</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene,

The idea of not wanting to send money back for Don Black to use has come up many times during this controversy. There&#039;s a simple alternative to sending him the money--donate the money to charity.

People aren&#039;t only demanding that Ron Paul give back money. Other candidates have been in comparable situations and have returned the money. Paul is unique in his refusal to return this money, seriously harming his credibility. Any credible candidate in this position would return the money (or give it to charity) and Paul has destroyed any possibility of being taken seriously by his refusal to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>The idea of not wanting to send money back for Don Black to use has come up many times during this controversy. There&#8217;s a simple alternative to sending him the money&#8211;donate the money to charity.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t only demanding that Ron Paul give back money. Other candidates have been in comparable situations and have returned the money. Paul is unique in his refusal to return this money, seriously harming his credibility. Any credible candidate in this position would return the money (or give it to charity) and Paul has destroyed any possibility of being taken seriously by his refusal to do so.</p>
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