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		<title>By: Ron Paul As Conservative, Not Defender of Freedom - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-163188</link>
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		<description>[...] Paul&#8217;s views on abortion show both his lack of respect for the rights of the individual as well as how he is willing to ignore his principles on federalism to promote his personal views. Besides supporting the federal ban on so-called partial birth abortions, Paul has supported federal legislation to over ride state law which differentiates between a zygote and a fully developed human. I would expect someone with training in Obstetrics to be concerned about such scientific nonsense, but this is less surprising after hearing his views on creationism versus evolution. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Paul&#8217;s views on abortion show both his lack of respect for the rights of the individual as well as how he is willing to ignore his principles on federalism to promote his personal views. Besides supporting the federal ban on so-called partial birth abortions, Paul has supported federal legislation to over ride state law which differentiates between a zygote and a fully developed human. I would expect someone with training in Obstetrics to be concerned about such scientific nonsense, but this is less surprising after hearing his views on creationism versus evolution. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Paul Backs Creationism, Denies Evolution - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is not the first time I&#8217;ve noted that, despite his training as a physician, Paul has taken positions which vary from established science. Paul has  supported legislation to eliminate the legal distinction between a zygote and a fully developed human. His support for the ban on so-called partial birth abortions can also be seen as taking an anti-science position considering the lack of medical validity of the term &#8220;partial birth abortion.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is not the first time I&#8217;ve noted that, despite his training as a physician, Paul has taken positions which vary from established science. Paul has  supported legislation to eliminate the legal distinction between a zygote and a fully developed human. His support for the ban on so-called partial birth abortions can also be seen as taking an anti-science position considering the lack of medical validity of the term &#8220;partial birth abortion.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Health Care, Ron Paul Style? - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-144715</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Care, Ron Paul Style? - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Paul supporters truly do live in an alternative reality. Its too bad there&#8217;s not another Republican YouTube debate so that someone can ask Paul his views on antibiotics, chemotherapy, and cholesterol-lowering medications just as he was asked his views on conspiracy theories in the last debate. We already know that Paul doesn&#8217;t see a distinction between a zygote and a fully developed human. Without another YouTube debate we might not learn if this is another area where Paul shares views with his followers as the mainstream media doesn&#8217;t seem to care to look at anything more than his opposition to the war.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidBloomberg and Hagel Continue to Show Signs of Considering Independent Run - November 30th, 2007Yet Another Reason I Don&#039;t Feel My Congressman Represents Me - November 29th, 2007Republican Debate Sharpens Divisions in Party, With Libertarians the Big Losers - November 29th, 2007Just Say No--To Funding Abstinence Based Education - November 28th, 2007Edwards Forms Web Site to Attack Hillary Clinton - November 28th, 2007 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ron Paul supporters truly do live in an alternative reality. Its too bad there&#8217;s not another Republican YouTube debate so that someone can ask Paul his views on antibiotics, chemotherapy, and cholesterol-lowering medications just as he was asked his views on conspiracy theories in the last debate. We already know that Paul doesn&#8217;t see a distinction between a zygote and a fully developed human. Without another YouTube debate we might not learn if this is another area where Paul shares views with his followers as the mainstream media doesn&#8217;t seem to care to look at anything more than his opposition to the war.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidBloomberg and Hagel Continue to Show Signs of Considering Independent Run &#8211; November 30th, 2007Yet Another Reason I Don&#8217;t Feel My Congressman Represents Me &#8211; November 29th, 2007Republican Debate Sharpens Divisions in Party, With Libertarians the Big Losers &#8211; November 29th, 2007Just Say No&#8211;To Funding Abstinence Based Education &#8211; November 28th, 2007Edwards Forms Web Site to Attack Hillary Clinton &#8211; November 28th, 2007 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GC</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138971</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW:

One can not deny THIS voting record compared to Hillary Clintons.


MILITARY COMMISSIONS. RP NO.....HC YES
PATRIOT ACT 1.. RP NO ..........HC YES
PATRIOT ACT 2. .RP NO ..........HC YES.
IRAQ WAR.. .RP NO.........HC YES
WAR WITH IRAN. .RP NO.........HC YES.
WIRETAPPING. .RP NO.........HC YES
INCREASED AID TO ISRAEL. RP NO.....HC. YES
EMINENT DOMAIN..RP..NO.........HC.. NV
NAFTA.........RP..NO...........HC..YES
CAFTA.........RP..NO...........HC..YES
IMF...........RP..NO...........HC..YES
WORLD BANK....RP..NO...........HC..YES
WTO...........RP..NO...........HC..YES
NORTH AMERICAN UNION..RP..NO...HC..?
NATIONAL ID....RP..NO..........HC..YES
IMMIGRANT DRIVERS LICENSE..RP..NO..HC..YES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW:</p>
<p>One can not deny THIS voting record compared to Hillary Clintons.</p>
<p>MILITARY COMMISSIONS. RP NO&#8230;..HC YES<br />
PATRIOT ACT 1.. RP NO &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.HC YES<br />
PATRIOT ACT 2. .RP NO &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.HC YES.<br />
IRAQ WAR.. .RP NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;HC YES<br />
WAR WITH IRAN. .RP NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;HC YES.<br />
WIRETAPPING. .RP NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;HC YES<br />
INCREASED AID TO ISRAEL. RP NO&#8230;..HC. YES<br />
EMINENT DOMAIN..RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;HC.. NV<br />
NAFTA&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..HC..YES<br />
CAFTA&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..HC..YES<br />
IMF&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..HC..YES<br />
WORLD BANK&#8230;.RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..HC..YES<br />
WTO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..HC..YES<br />
NORTH AMERICAN UNION..RP..NO&#8230;HC..?<br />
NATIONAL ID&#8230;.RP..NO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.HC..YES<br />
IMMIGRANT DRIVERS LICENSE..RP..NO..HC..YES</p>
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		<title>By: GC</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138967</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul has currently 85k in his House election coffers...His closest rival 6k. He has been reelected everytime with out defeat...10 times. No defeats!
If America does not want him, we do!
Ron is loved here in Galveston by everyone, just about...He is the truth.
He is honesty we have been missing.
We love him and we are proud of him.
He has united Galveston and has united our will to get off government subsidies...We now know the more power you give government, the more they demand.  We do not need government money...We can do it on our own..We do not want to be controlled by our federal government that knows nothing of our district...They give us money, then demand decision making control.
No thanks...
We have secured 60 million in private loans for when the next hurricane hits to keep local government functioning fopr a year...We will secure another 100 million next year...Wait for FEMA we will not!

Ron will unite this nation, like he has Galveston and no one has anything to be afraid of except the truth.
That is what we need. The truth.
Ron, we love you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul has currently 85k in his House election coffers&#8230;His closest rival 6k. He has been reelected everytime with out defeat&#8230;10 times. No defeats!<br />
If America does not want him, we do!<br />
Ron is loved here in Galveston by everyone, just about&#8230;He is the truth.<br />
He is honesty we have been missing.<br />
We love him and we are proud of him.<br />
He has united Galveston and has united our will to get off government subsidies&#8230;We now know the more power you give government, the more they demand.  We do not need government money&#8230;We can do it on our own..We do not want to be controlled by our federal government that knows nothing of our district&#8230;They give us money, then demand decision making control.<br />
No thanks&#8230;<br />
We have secured 60 million in private loans for when the next hurricane hits to keep local government functioning fopr a year&#8230;We will secure another 100 million next year&#8230;Wait for FEMA we will not!</p>
<p>Ron will unite this nation, like he has Galveston and no one has anything to be afraid of except the truth.<br />
That is what we need. The truth.<br />
Ron, we love you.</p>
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		<title>By: Where Ron Paul Stands, In Texas and Nationally - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138657</link>
		<dc:creator>Where Ron Paul Stands, In Texas and Nationally - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Paul’s Voting Record Examined [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138577</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But whose opinion is that? Yes, it may be yours, or from a gaggle of scientists, but nonetheless it is just an opinion.&quot;

No, the science of embryology is well established. You may wish to reject modern science, but you do not have the right to impose this on others.

&quot;With this you may or may not agree. But if Ron Paul is guided by a similiar philosophy, why would you fault him for it?&quot;

Ron Paul may personally choose any philosophy. He does not have the right to impose these views on others. This is also a violation of the Constitution which Paul falsely claims to be a strict follower of.

&quot;But I have longed for a political leader who would put the Constitution ahead of those fairly new “rights” that have been manufactured in Congress and the courts.&quot;

In some areas Paul deserves credit for defending Constitutional liberties, but he also subscribes to an extremist view of the Constitution which is contrary to the intent of the founding fathers and which denies liberty where it differs from his personal religious views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But whose opinion is that? Yes, it may be yours, or from a gaggle of scientists, but nonetheless it is just an opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the science of embryology is well established. You may wish to reject modern science, but you do not have the right to impose this on others.</p>
<p>&#8220;With this you may or may not agree. But if Ron Paul is guided by a similiar philosophy, why would you fault him for it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ron Paul may personally choose any philosophy. He does not have the right to impose these views on others. This is also a violation of the Constitution which Paul falsely claims to be a strict follower of.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I have longed for a political leader who would put the Constitution ahead of those fairly new “rights” that have been manufactured in Congress and the courts.&#8221;</p>
<p>In some areas Paul deserves credit for defending Constitutional liberties, but he also subscribes to an extremist view of the Constitution which is contrary to the intent of the founding fathers and which denies liberty where it differs from his personal religious views.</p>
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		<title>By: Pecosbill</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138482</link>
		<dc:creator>Pecosbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Formation of life is a continuum, and the fetus is distinct from a fully developed human living on their own.&quot;

But whose opinion is that?  Yes, it may be yours, or from a gaggle of scientists, but nonetheless it is just an opinion.

I have thought long and hard, and struggled with the abortion question, and, as a Christian, have decided to let my faith guide me.

All persons have a right to &quot;life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness&quot; under the Constitution.  So therefore, federal law should exist to protect that right to life.  But the question then becomes to whom does that right extend?

Obviously it would include those of us who are out of the womb.  But what about those still in the womb?    Jesus said, &quot;I knew you when you were in the womb.&quot;  He didn&#039;t say &quot;after the second trimester when you had achieved viability.&quot;  We just don&#039;t have the answer.  And in the absence of a definitive answer we should choose to err on the side of caution and include all fetuses.

With this you may or may not agree.  But if Ron Paul is guided by a similiar philosophy, why would you fault him for it?

Ron Paul has faults, just like the rest of us.  But I have longed for a political leader who would put the Constitution ahead of those fairly new &quot;rights&quot; that have been manufactured in Congress and the courts.  The emphasis on maximizing the freedom of the individual rings true for anyone who spent time on campus during the 60&#039;s, as did I.

We must be on guard against both the radical leftist who would strip you of your rights if need be to enforce his/her social agenda, as well as the neo-con who would just as soon sell your mind, body and soul to the corporate boardroom if it meant putting a dollar in his/her pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Formation of life is a continuum, and the fetus is distinct from a fully developed human living on their own.&#8221;</p>
<p>But whose opinion is that?  Yes, it may be yours, or from a gaggle of scientists, but nonetheless it is just an opinion.</p>
<p>I have thought long and hard, and struggled with the abortion question, and, as a Christian, have decided to let my faith guide me.</p>
<p>All persons have a right to &#8220;life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness&#8221; under the Constitution.  So therefore, federal law should exist to protect that right to life.  But the question then becomes to whom does that right extend?</p>
<p>Obviously it would include those of us who are out of the womb.  But what about those still in the womb?    Jesus said, &#8220;I knew you when you were in the womb.&#8221;  He didn&#8217;t say &#8220;after the second trimester when you had achieved viability.&#8221;  We just don&#8217;t have the answer.  And in the absence of a definitive answer we should choose to err on the side of caution and include all fetuses.</p>
<p>With this you may or may not agree.  But if Ron Paul is guided by a similiar philosophy, why would you fault him for it?</p>
<p>Ron Paul has faults, just like the rest of us.  But I have longed for a political leader who would put the Constitution ahead of those fairly new &#8220;rights&#8221; that have been manufactured in Congress and the courts.  The emphasis on maximizing the freedom of the individual rings true for anyone who spent time on campus during the 60&#8217;s, as did I.</p>
<p>We must be on guard against both the radical leftist who would strip you of your rights if need be to enforce his/her social agenda, as well as the neo-con who would just as soon sell your mind, body and soul to the corporate boardroom if it meant putting a dollar in his/her pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138198</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B-psycho,

After doing a Google search on the topic I see that such claims really are out there. Conspiracy theories involving the Illuminati are bad enough (unless done humorously such as by Robert Anton Wilson). I see that Icke really does claim that the Illuminati is a reptilian race. 

This race includes George Bush. Is that why Bush failed to have that National Guard physical?  :)</description>
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<p>After doing a Google search on the topic I see that such claims really are out there. Conspiracy theories involving the Illuminati are bad enough (unless done humorously such as by Robert Anton Wilson). I see that Icke really does claim that the Illuminati is a reptilian race. </p>
<p>This race includes George Bush. Is that why Bush failed to have that National Guard physical?  <img src='http://liberalvaluesblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJS,

&quot;I am a Christian Libertarian (it is not a contradiction)&quot;

Nobody says that is a contradiction. Again you confuse secularism with absence of religion or opposition to religion.

&quot;Today it is Secularism and it is declared a religion by the Supreme Court.&quot;

No, secularism is not a religion. Under secularism individuals may believe in any religion, or no religion at all.

&quot;Life is an inalienable right in the Declaration of Independence. Whose God gives that right? It is the Christian God since that was the mindset of the founding fathers.&quot;

Incorrect. Many of the founding fathers were Deists who rejected traditional Christian beliefs. The founding fathers specifically and intentionally did not refer to the Christian God or any other God in the Constitution due to their belief in separation of church and state.

&quot;Abortion is wrong according to the Christian God.&quot;

There is some controversy over that with different Christians having different interpretations. Even if this was true, applying such a belief of a specific religion to law is unconstitutional.

You can be a Christian Libertarian and personally believe abortion is wrong. It is a contradiction with libertarianism if you use the powers of the state to enforce your religious beliefs upon others.

&quot;On the subject of UN. The UN destroys national sovereignty.&quot;

No. Just as individuals can freely associate without losing their identities as individuals, nations can also associate with each other without losing their sovereignty.

&quot;It is impossible to have world peace by the effort of man getting together from various religious background. All religions are at war against Christianity and against each other.&quot;

Nonsense. Some in some religions are at war against those with other religions but there is no general state of war between Christianity and other religions. There is a much stronger argument that the UN has been a tremendous success than a dismal failure. Comparing the warfare of the first half of the 20th century to the second, after the UN was formed, the wars were much more limited and less devastating globally despite the development of nuclear weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJS,</p>
<p>&#8220;I am a Christian Libertarian (it is not a contradiction)&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody says that is a contradiction. Again you confuse secularism with absence of religion or opposition to religion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Today it is Secularism and it is declared a religion by the Supreme Court.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, secularism is not a religion. Under secularism individuals may believe in any religion, or no religion at all.</p>
<p>&#8220;Life is an inalienable right in the Declaration of Independence. Whose God gives that right? It is the Christian God since that was the mindset of the founding fathers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incorrect. Many of the founding fathers were Deists who rejected traditional Christian beliefs. The founding fathers specifically and intentionally did not refer to the Christian God or any other God in the Constitution due to their belief in separation of church and state.</p>
<p>&#8220;Abortion is wrong according to the Christian God.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is some controversy over that with different Christians having different interpretations. Even if this was true, applying such a belief of a specific religion to law is unconstitutional.</p>
<p>You can be a Christian Libertarian and personally believe abortion is wrong. It is a contradiction with libertarianism if you use the powers of the state to enforce your religious beliefs upon others.</p>
<p>&#8220;On the subject of UN. The UN destroys national sovereignty.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. Just as individuals can freely associate without losing their identities as individuals, nations can also associate with each other without losing their sovereignty.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is impossible to have world peace by the effort of man getting together from various religious background. All religions are at war against Christianity and against each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense. Some in some religions are at war against those with other religions but there is no general state of war between Christianity and other religions. There is a much stronger argument that the UN has been a tremendous success than a dismal failure. Comparing the warfare of the first half of the 20th century to the second, after the UN was formed, the wars were much more limited and less devastating globally despite the development of nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: TJS</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138159</link>
		<dc:creator>TJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Chuid eliminated a couple of my posts. Well since this is his private blog he has the right to.

I am a Christian Libertarian (it is not a contradiction) and I think that is what Ron Paul is. I do believe in separation of church and state, but not a solid wall. Both institutions are under the rule of God - religion is inescapable since man is incurably religious. The state is not to rule over the church and the church is not to rule over the state. The church is to teach the law of God and the state is the minister of wrath punishing evil doers. 

The Constitution by itself is a secular document. But what public religion drives it? It can&#039;t be nothing. Today it is Secularism and it is declared a religion by the Supreme Court.

Life is an inalienable right in the Declaration of Independence. Whose God gives that right? It is the Christian God since that was the mindset of the founding fathers. Abortion is wrong according to the Christian God.

On the subject of UN. The UN destroys national sovereignty. The UN has been a dismal failure. In spite of the UN there has been more wars and more lives lost in the world during the history of UN. It is impossible to have world peace by the effort of man getting together from various religious background. All religions are at war against Christianity and against each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Chuid eliminated a couple of my posts. Well since this is his private blog he has the right to.</p>
<p>I am a Christian Libertarian (it is not a contradiction) and I think that is what Ron Paul is. I do believe in separation of church and state, but not a solid wall. Both institutions are under the rule of God &#8211; religion is inescapable since man is incurably religious. The state is not to rule over the church and the church is not to rule over the state. The church is to teach the law of God and the state is the minister of wrath punishing evil doers. </p>
<p>The Constitution by itself is a secular document. But what public religion drives it? It can&#8217;t be nothing. Today it is Secularism and it is declared a religion by the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>Life is an inalienable right in the Declaration of Independence. Whose God gives that right? It is the Christian God since that was the mindset of the founding fathers. Abortion is wrong according to the Christian God.</p>
<p>On the subject of UN. The UN destroys national sovereignty. The UN has been a dismal failure. In spite of the UN there has been more wars and more lives lost in the world during the history of UN. It is impossible to have world peace by the effort of man getting together from various religious background. All religions are at war against Christianity and against each other.</p>
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		<title>By: b-psycho</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2371&#038;cpage=1#comment-138122</link>
		<dc:creator>b-psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Ron&quot;&gt;Giant lizards? I hadn’t heard of that conspiracy yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

David Icke peddles that garbage.  Saw some dude on a hiphop message board mentioning it awhile back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Ron"><p>Giant lizards? I hadn’t heard of that conspiracy yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>David Icke peddles that garbage.  Saw some dude on a hiphop message board mentioning it awhile back.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is a hopeless dream, but in the nuclear age I think that any efforts to attempt to prevent war are worthwhile. 

Giant lizards? I hadn&#039;t heard of that conspiracy yet. Does it have anything to do with the old TV miniseries and series, V?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is a hopeless dream, but in the nuclear age I think that any efforts to attempt to prevent war are worthwhile. </p>
<p>Giant lizards? I hadn&#8217;t heard of that conspiracy yet. Does it have anything to do with the old TV miniseries and series, V?</p>
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		<title>By: b-psycho</title>
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		<dc:creator>b-psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question though: yes, we all know that there are people who think the UN is part of some sort of plot by marxists/jews/giant lizards/etcetera.  Those people are stupid and shouldn&#039;t be taken seriously.  However, what would you say in its defense?

On that one, I agree with pulling out.  The UN is built on a falsehood, namely that it is ever possible for nation-states to put aside their own interests.  They just use it as cover for what they wanted to do anyway, since there inherently cannot be an independent enforcement arm for any conclusions reached.  International law itself is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question though: yes, we all know that there are people who think the UN is part of some sort of plot by marxists/jews/giant lizards/etcetera.  Those people are stupid and shouldn&#8217;t be taken seriously.  However, what would you say in its defense?</p>
<p>On that one, I agree with pulling out.  The UN is built on a falsehood, namely that it is ever possible for nation-states to put aside their own interests.  They just use it as cover for what they wanted to do anyway, since there inherently cannot be an independent enforcement arm for any conclusions reached.  International law itself is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B-psycho,

Remember, deep down these are right wingers, not libertarians.</description>
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<p>Remember, deep down these are right wingers, not libertarians.</p>
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