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		<title>By: Jeff Keady</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-152378</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ron!</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-152375</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Your definition of theory is not how it is used in science such as in referring to the theories of evolution (or gravitation). Evolution is as established as anything else is in science, and is the basis of modern biology.

The evidence has overwhelmingly supported evolution despite all the attempts of creationists to come up with bogus arguments.

Have a good holiday too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Your definition of theory is not how it is used in science such as in referring to the theories of evolution (or gravitation). Evolution is as established as anything else is in science, and is the basis of modern biology.</p>
<p>The evidence has overwhelmingly supported evolution despite all the attempts of creationists to come up with bogus arguments.</p>
<p>Have a good holiday too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Keady</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-152370</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

I have never heard of the &quot;Theory of Gravity&quot;.  Honestly, I have only heard of the Law of Gravity.  Just like I have never heard of the &quot;Law of Evolution&quot;, only the &quot;Evolutionary Theory&quot;.

Of course there are different meanings to the word &quot;theory&quot;, but could I suggest this one:  &quot;a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.&quot;

Your earthquake and volcano explanation to show that God is not necessary in the explanation of what is - is mind boggling to me.  The more I study a painting or sculpture, the more I appreciate the work of the artist, not the other way around.  Sounds like you are clinging to your atheistic presupposition no matter what the evidence shows.

Anyway - Merry Christmas!?  :) I do hope you have a wonderful holiday with your loved ones and friends - really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>I have never heard of the &#8220;Theory of Gravity&#8221;.  Honestly, I have only heard of the Law of Gravity.  Just like I have never heard of the &#8220;Law of Evolution&#8221;, only the &#8220;Evolutionary Theory&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course there are different meanings to the word &#8220;theory&#8221;, but could I suggest this one:  &#8220;a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your earthquake and volcano explanation to show that God is not necessary in the explanation of what is &#8211; is mind boggling to me.  The more I study a painting or sculpture, the more I appreciate the work of the artist, not the other way around.  Sounds like you are clinging to your atheistic presupposition no matter what the evidence shows.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; Merry Christmas!?  <img src='http://liberalvaluesblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I do hope you have a wonderful holiday with your loved ones and friends &#8211; really!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-152259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

You misunderstand the meaning of &quot;theory&quot; in science as opposed to common use. Just like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is accepted as fact by science. The more we study life and understand it, the more we find that attributing the development of complex life forms to a designer is unnecessary. 

Attributing natural phenomenon to a god is what is done by primitive people who do not understand the science. Just as it is no longer for us to attribute earth quakes and the eruptions of volcano to the gods, it is no longer necessary to attribute the development of complex life forms to a god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>You misunderstand the meaning of &#8220;theory&#8221; in science as opposed to common use. Just like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is accepted as fact by science. The more we study life and understand it, the more we find that attributing the development of complex life forms to a designer is unnecessary. </p>
<p>Attributing natural phenomenon to a god is what is done by primitive people who do not understand the science. Just as it is no longer for us to attribute earth quakes and the eruptions of volcano to the gods, it is no longer necessary to attribute the development of complex life forms to a god.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Keady</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-152231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

You wrote: &quot;Evolution provides the framework to modern biology. It is not possible to understand biology without evolution.&quot;

When did evolution move from THEORY to LAW?  Has it?  Isn&#039;t it still the Theory of Evolution?

It is my understanding that as we discover life in its infinitesimally small forms, we realize that there is a design and designer.  Wasn&#039;t and introduction and acceptance of evolution 150 years ago to supplant God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;Evolution provides the framework to modern biology. It is not possible to understand biology without evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>When did evolution move from THEORY to LAW?  Has it?  Isn&#8217;t it still the Theory of Evolution?</p>
<p>It is my understanding that as we discover life in its infinitesimally small forms, we realize that there is a design and designer.  Wasn&#8217;t and introduction and acceptance of evolution 150 years ago to supplant God?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-150758</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa,

Fundamentalists who take the bible literally often find that evolution contradicts the bible and therefore reject the science in favor of their religious beliefs. There are others who manage to reconcile both views but to do so means not taking the bible 100% literally which some fundamentalists are unwilling to do.

Evolution provides the framework to modern biology. It is not possible to understand biology without evolution. Advances in our understanding of biology and genetics will continue to lead to developments such as stem cells which impact public policy. People cannot make informed decisions without at least some basic understanding. If people accept the fundamentalist view of creationism and reject evolution, including preventing the teaching of evolution in schools, we will have an uninformed populace which is not equipped to deal with such issues. We will also be at an increasing disadvantage compared to other countries which do not have religion interfering with education</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa,</p>
<p>Fundamentalists who take the bible literally often find that evolution contradicts the bible and therefore reject the science in favor of their religious beliefs. There are others who manage to reconcile both views but to do so means not taking the bible 100% literally which some fundamentalists are unwilling to do.</p>
<p>Evolution provides the framework to modern biology. It is not possible to understand biology without evolution. Advances in our understanding of biology and genetics will continue to lead to developments such as stem cells which impact public policy. People cannot make informed decisions without at least some basic understanding. If people accept the fundamentalist view of creationism and reject evolution, including preventing the teaching of evolution in schools, we will have an uninformed populace which is not equipped to deal with such issues. We will also be at an increasing disadvantage compared to other countries which do not have religion interfering with education</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-150594</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,
Interested to know why you state it is important to increase understanding of evolutionary biology in the general population. 
Thank you,
Melissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
Interested to know why you state it is important to increase understanding of evolutionary biology in the general population.<br />
Thank you,<br />
Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,
In response to your following statement: Such people believe in evolution, as opposed to the fundamentalists who claim that the entire science of evolution is incorrect. 
Have you considered why &#039;fundamentalists&#039; take this view on evolution? If so, I&#039;d like to hear your opinion please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
In response to your following statement: Such people believe in evolution, as opposed to the fundamentalists who claim that the entire science of evolution is incorrect.<br />
Have you considered why &#8216;fundamentalists&#8217; take this view on evolution? If so, I&#8217;d like to hear your opinion please.</p>
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		<title>By: Huckabee Not Hawkish Enough For Many Republicans - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-146376</link>
		<dc:creator>Huckabee Not Hawkish Enough For Many Republicans - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] With Mike Huckabee now a top tier candidate we are getting more of a look at his positions. I&#8217;m hardly going to consider supporting a candidate who opposes abortion rights and does not believe in evolution, but in some ways Huckabee might be preferable to many of the other Republicans running. I&#8217;ve previously noted that Huckabee has sounded more reasonable than other Republicans on immigration and even on school prayer. Another hopeful sign is seen in this report from The Washington Post: Huckabee sought to build his foreign policy credentials, meeting with a group of retired generals who are in Des Moines to urge the 2008 candidates to commit to opposing torture. After the meeting, Huckabee joined Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in declaring his opposition to the interrogation procedure known as &#8220;waterboarding,&#8221; and said he would support closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a contrast with the other leading Republicans. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] With Mike Huckabee now a top tier candidate we are getting more of a look at his positions. I&#8217;m hardly going to consider supporting a candidate who opposes abortion rights and does not believe in evolution, but in some ways Huckabee might be preferable to many of the other Republicans running. I&#8217;ve previously noted that Huckabee has sounded more reasonable than other Republicans on immigration and even on school prayer. Another hopeful sign is seen in this report from The Washington Post: Huckabee sought to build his foreign policy credentials, meeting with a group of retired generals who are in Des Moines to urge the 2008 candidates to commit to opposing torture. After the meeting, Huckabee joined Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in declaring his opposition to the interrogation procedure known as &#8220;waterboarding,&#8221; and said he would support closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a contrast with the other leading Republicans. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Huckabee Has Another Moment of Sanity For a Republican - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huckabee Has Another Moment of Sanity For a Republican - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At times I&#8217;ve quoted significant areas of disagreement with Huckabee where I&#8217;ve also questioned if he wasn&#8217;t a bit out of touch with reality, such as in raising his hand to the debate question indicating he does not believe in evolution. At other times he seems like one of the more sane Republicans running, such as when he argued against the need for prayer in schools as opposed to in the home. Even Ron Paul, the only Republican candidate who makes any sense on the war, has sponsored a school prayer amendment and denies the importance of separation of church and state. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At times I&#8217;ve quoted significant areas of disagreement with Huckabee where I&#8217;ve also questioned if he wasn&#8217;t a bit out of touch with reality, such as in raising his hand to the debate question indicating he does not believe in evolution. At other times he seems like one of the more sane Republicans running, such as when he argued against the need for prayer in schools as opposed to in the home. Even Ron Paul, the only Republican candidate who makes any sense on the war, has sponsored a school prayer amendment and denies the importance of separation of church and state. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-105380</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Accepting scientific explanations doesn&#039;t require that one not believe in a God. Many scientists believe that a God set it all in motion, and see science as explaining God&#039;s work. Such people believe in evolution, as opposed to the fundamentalists who claim that the entire science of evolution is incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Accepting scientific explanations doesn&#8217;t require that one not believe in a God. Many scientists believe that a God set it all in motion, and see science as explaining God&#8217;s work. Such people believe in evolution, as opposed to the fundamentalists who claim that the entire science of evolution is incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Keady</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-105373</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I assume that you are coming at this from a position that there is no God?  If that is true, then it explains your perspective.  I admittedly am approaching the subject with a distinct philosophical presupposition that &quot;there is a God.&quot;

The challenge is for people with presuppositions that are 180 degrees apart - to still work together to solve the challenges present in our country.  Does the belief, or not, in evolution present a serious obstacle to people working together to make &quot;a more perfect union&quot;?

As a conservative, I thank you for writing so clearly your opinions, which forces me to think more deeply upon my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I assume that you are coming at this from a position that there is no God?  If that is true, then it explains your perspective.  I admittedly am approaching the subject with a distinct philosophical presupposition that &#8220;there is a God.&#8221;</p>
<p>The challenge is for people with presuppositions that are 180 degrees apart &#8211; to still work together to solve the challenges present in our country.  Does the belief, or not, in evolution present a serious obstacle to people working together to make &#8220;a more perfect union&#8221;?</p>
<p>As a conservative, I thank you for writing so clearly your opinions, which forces me to think more deeply upon my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-105224</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

If you read what I actually wrote about Huckabee rather that mischaracterize what is said you&#039;ll see that there is no basis for your claim that I &quot;was not listening carefully to what Huckabee said.&quot;

You cloearly do not understand evloution from this portion of your response, as well as to your comparison to a cornfield and mischaracterization of evolution as saying &quot;it just happened that way by itself.&quot; That is not what evolution says at all. Evolution provides an explanation for how complex life fords developed.

Before you reject modern scientific explanations you might first try to understand them. You present the same mentality as primitive men who didn&#039;t understand why there was rain, earth quates or eruptions of volcanos and therefore attributed them to the gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>If you read what I actually wrote about Huckabee rather that mischaracterize what is said you&#8217;ll see that there is no basis for your claim that I &#8220;was not listening carefully to what Huckabee said.&#8221;</p>
<p>You cloearly do not understand evloution from this portion of your response, as well as to your comparison to a cornfield and mischaracterization of evolution as saying &#8220;it just happened that way by itself.&#8221; That is not what evolution says at all. Evolution provides an explanation for how complex life fords developed.</p>
<p>Before you reject modern scientific explanations you might first try to understand them. You present the same mentality as primitive men who didn&#8217;t understand why there was rain, earth quates or eruptions of volcanos and therefore attributed them to the gods.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Keady</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1487&#038;cpage=1#comment-105223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Chusid wrote that Huckabee was confused about us coming from apes or maybe that us and apes share a common ancestor... further investigation into the varied evolutionary theories renders the point quite mute, especially when considering the various pictorial charts attmepting to help us visualize the evolutionary process!  HOWEVER, is was Chusid who was not listening carefully to what Huckabee said.  He said that whether God created all that is in six literal days, or in six periods of time, (allowing for Theistic Evolution), he is just saying &quot;God did it.&quot;  To say that the evolutionary theory is true apart from God, whether or not he exists, takes much more faith than to believe in the biblical record.

I live in Iowa, and every time I pass a recently planted cornfield, with the crop about a foot high, I instictively, and rationally know that a farmer has done it.  How, can I ask, do some of us look at our world, in all its order and wonder, and say, &quot;No Creator, it just happened that way all by itself.&quot;  Hmmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Chusid wrote that Huckabee was confused about us coming from apes or maybe that us and apes share a common ancestor&#8230; further investigation into the varied evolutionary theories renders the point quite mute, especially when considering the various pictorial charts attmepting to help us visualize the evolutionary process!  HOWEVER, is was Chusid who was not listening carefully to what Huckabee said.  He said that whether God created all that is in six literal days, or in six periods of time, (allowing for Theistic Evolution), he is just saying &#8220;God did it.&#8221;  To say that the evolutionary theory is true apart from God, whether or not he exists, takes much more faith than to believe in the biblical record.</p>
<p>I live in Iowa, and every time I pass a recently planted cornfield, with the crop about a foot high, I instictively, and rationally know that a farmer has done it.  How, can I ask, do some of us look at our world, in all its order and wonder, and say, &#8220;No Creator, it just happened that way all by itself.&#8221;  Hmmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Huckabee Given Chance to Compete Following Iowa Straw Poll - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huckabee Given Chance to Compete Following Iowa Straw Poll - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Boorman Tribune points out many of Huckabee’s far right positions. However this could be said about all the Republican candidates, including maverick Ron Paul who opposes abortion rights and does not believe that separation of church and state was one of the principles held by the Founding Fathers and an intention of the First Amendment. When compared to the other far right candidates, sometimes he appears to be the most rational Republican running, such as when talking about school prayer. The attack ads from the Club For Growth show that he sometimes varies from Republican orthodoxy on economic issues. However I did lose some confidence in him when he expressed his disbelief in evolution. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Boorman Tribune points out many of Huckabee’s far right positions. However this could be said about all the Republican candidates, including maverick Ron Paul who opposes abortion rights and does not believe that separation of church and state was one of the principles held by the Founding Fathers and an intention of the First Amendment. When compared to the other far right candidates, sometimes he appears to be the most rational Republican running, such as when talking about school prayer. The attack ads from the Club For Growth show that he sometimes varies from Republican orthodoxy on economic issues. However I did lose some confidence in him when he expressed his disbelief in evolution. [...]</p>
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