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		<title>By: An Overview of the Presidential Candidates’ Stances on Human Genetics Issues &#124; sci-stuff.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Overview of the Presidential Candidates’ Stances on Human Genetics Issues &#124; sci-stuff.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lord koos</title>
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		<dc:creator>lord koos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from the guy who chose SARAH PALIN as his running mate?  Puh-leeze.</description>
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		<title>By: CommonSenseGovm (Charles)</title>
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		<dc:creator>CommonSenseGovm (Charles)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charles Seymour Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Seymour Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;» John McCain Wants To Reform The Republican Party Liberal Values http://bit.ly/2FoSZV&lt;/span&gt;
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		<title>By: Eclectic Radical</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=10389&#038;cpage=1#comment-224302</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree at all. I was outlining the political factors that make it terribly difficult for an active Republican politician to spearhead such a charge.
 
It was the GOP who ended Democratic dependence on the labor movement (for good or ill... personally I think it&#039;s good the Democrats aren&#039;t /dependent/ on labor, but it annoys me that no one appears willing to address labor issues) by effectively ending the viability of unions in most of the country. I&#039;m not advocating for the same kind of war on churches that Republicans waged on unions in the 1980s, obviously, but the imposition of corporate taxes on corporate churches is fair in my view. Likewise the imposition of corporate taxes on churches that violate their tax-exempt status by donating to or campaigning for candidates.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree at all. I was outlining the political factors that make it terribly difficult for an active Republican politician to spearhead such a charge.<br />
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It was the GOP who ended Democratic dependence on the labor movement (for good or ill&#8230; personally I think it&#8217;s good the Democrats aren&#8217;t /dependent/ on labor, but it annoys me that no one appears willing to address labor issues) by effectively ending the viability of unions in most of the country. I&#8217;m not advocating for the same kind of war on churches that Republicans waged on unions in the 1980s, obviously, but the imposition of corporate taxes on corporate churches is fair in my view. Likewise the imposition of corporate taxes on churches that violate their tax-exempt status by donating to or campaigning for candidates.<br />
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=10389&#038;cpage=1#comment-224298</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It would be good for the country to have&lt;strong&gt; a meaningful two party system again&lt;/strong&gt;. We should have a sensible opposition party as opposed to one which has no ideas other than to oppose everything the Democrats propose regardless of the merits.
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It would take considerably more than reform of the Republican party (solely) to achieve that.</description>
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It would be good for the country to have<strong> a meaningful two party system again</strong>. We should have a sensible opposition party as opposed to one which has no ideas other than to oppose everything the Democrats propose regardless of the merits.
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<p>It would take considerably more than reform of the Republican party (solely) to achieve that.</p>
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		<title>By: susan ducan</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=10389&#038;cpage=1#comment-225597</link>
		<dc:creator>susan ducan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;everyone drink » John McCain Wants To Reform The Republican Party Liberal Values: P.. http://bit.ly/2FoSZV
 who will last&lt;/span&gt;
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 who will last</span></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes when we remove a cancer from a patient they become weaker before they recover, but without such treatment they would die. That also applies to the Republican Party. Unfortunately the GOP might have waited too long to remove the cancer which is destroying them. They will lose a lot in terms of fund raising and party workers if they remove the influence of the religious right, and might die from the treatment, but without doing so it is hard to see how they recover.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes when we remove a cancer from a patient they become weaker before they recover, but without such treatment they would die. That also applies to the Republican Party. Unfortunately the GOP might have waited too long to remove the cancer which is destroying them. They will lose a lot in terms of fund raising and party workers if they remove the influence of the religious right, and might die from the treatment, but without doing so it is hard to see how they recover.</p>
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		<title>By: TattooTrevor (Trevor  J)</title>
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		<dc:creator>TattooTrevor (Trevor  J)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trevor  J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor  J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Posts about Politico as of October 3, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Politico as of October 3, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Radical</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=10389&#038;cpage=1#comment-224261</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;A real straight talker would be consistent in opposing this faction of the conservative movement as Barry Goldwater was.&#039;
 
I don&#039;t disagree, but this becomes a very tricky prospect when one realizes how big a bat the religious right swings in fundraising and voter turn-out numbers. The religious right has become the GOP base in many parts of the country and one is not going to elect candidates there by attacking them. Their voters will stay home or vote for Democrats able to give a good pro-life/anti-gay-marriage speech.
 
The religious right is the equivalent of the labor movement for Democrats from the 1940s to the 1060s. An endless wellspring of votes and money that becomes a constituency that cannot be ignored because of the election day power provided. When the Teamsters backed Reagan in 1980 it was crippling to Carter&#039;s re-election campaign and McGovern&#039;s lack of support from big labor was crucial in denying him electoral wins in normally very liberal states.
 
The Democrats have shaken off their dependence on the labor movement primarily because of union-busting legislation passed by Republicans. The real way to end GOP dependence on the religious right might not be for high profile Republicans like McCain to fight them head on, but for Democrats to attack the tax-exempt status of churches that make huge profits off their membership and then use that money for improper political purposes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;A real straight talker would be consistent in opposing this faction of the conservative movement as Barry Goldwater was.&#8217;<br />
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I don&#8217;t disagree, but this becomes a very tricky prospect when one realizes how big a bat the religious right swings in fundraising and voter turn-out numbers. The religious right has become the GOP base in many parts of the country and one is not going to elect candidates there by attacking them. Their voters will stay home or vote for Democrats able to give a good pro-life/anti-gay-marriage speech.<br />
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The religious right is the equivalent of the labor movement for Democrats from the 1940s to the 1060s. An endless wellspring of votes and money that becomes a constituency that cannot be ignored because of the election day power provided. When the Teamsters backed Reagan in 1980 it was crippling to Carter&#8217;s re-election campaign and McGovern&#8217;s lack of support from big labor was crucial in denying him electoral wins in normally very liberal states.<br />
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The Democrats have shaken off their dependence on the labor movement primarily because of union-busting legislation passed by Republicans. The real way to end GOP dependence on the religious right might not be for high profile Republicans like McCain to fight them head on, but for Democrats to attack the tax-exempt status of churches that make huge profits off their membership and then use that money for improper political purposes.<br />
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