The Evolution vs. Creationism Debate

Creationist Debate

MacLeodCartoons sums up the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham on evolution vs. creationism in the cartoon above. This comes quite close to this summation of an exchange from The Guardian:

What is the one thing upon which you base your belief?

Ham: the Bible. There’s no other book like it. It tells us everything we need to know. Man is a sinner. The Gospel…Jesus died on the cross. Salvation, Jesus, God, God, the Bible. The Bible, the Bible, the Bible. God will reveal himself to you.

Nye: “I base my beliefs on the information and the process that we call science. It fills me with joy. It is a wonderful and astonishing thing to me. If we abandon all that we have learned, if we let go of everything we have learned before us, if we stop looking for answers, we will be defeated…We have to embrace science education. We have to keep science education in science classes.”

Here is another key exchange which sums up the difference between creationism and science in a nutshell. When asked what would change their mind, Ken Ham essentially replied “nothing” while Bill Nye replied “evidence.”

Ham-Nye-debate-in-a-nutshell

A more detailed recap of that portion of the debate:

What, if anything would ever change your mind?

Ham: I can’t prove it to you, but basically, God and Jesus. “The Bible is the word of God.” No one will ever convince him that the word of God is not true. Like, ever.

Nye: “We just need one piece of evidence like a fossil that swam from one level to another.” We would need evidence that rock layers could form in 4,000 years. Bring me any of those things and I would change my mind immediately.

Many things were said without responses. This included Bill Nye asking if Kangaroos got off the Ark in the middle east, why are they only in Australia, and not even a fossil of one anywhere else? I would have liked to hear an answer to that one.

Ken Ham is a young earth creationist, the craziest of the crazies. Even Pat Robertson thinks that young earth creationism is a joke.

More commentary here, here, and here.

Video of the debate here:

Unfortunately many schools which receive public money teach creationism. Slate put together this map as to where they are located:

Creationism Schools

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7 Comments

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    Josh says:

    What evidence all the fossil record points to is CREATIONISM. What evidence does Evolution have NONe

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    Ron Chusid says:

    You might check the actual data. The fossil record is one of many proofs of evolution. There is no evidence to support creationism.

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    SPIKE says:

    Wouldn't this be considered empirical evidence for the Biblical account of recent creation?Dead Sea Ein Gedi Seismic Core Sample

    What about multiple archaeological digs that located soft tissue in the fossil bone-bed?  Mark Armitage of California State University at Northridge, was fired after his published paper in  and Dr Mary Schweitzer's Montana site discovery of the Triceratops with soft-tissue, aren't isolated cases. 

    Here are some more:

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    Ron Chusid says:

    No, this is not evidence for creationism. It is just distortions of science to promote creationism. This is explained here:
    https://biologos.org/blogs/jim-stump-faith-and-science-seeking-understanding/soft-tissue-in-dinosaur-bones-what-does-the-evidence-really-say

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    SocraticGadfly says:

    Josh, you're so wrong, and more people think you're wrong, too.

    Theistic evolution is now tied with creationism (young or old) in American minds, per Gallup poll.

    AND, the purely naturalistic perspective on human origins is now held by 19 percent of Americans. http://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-humans-new-low.aspx

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    SocraticGadfly says:

    Ron, this is one of my favorite personal photoshopping efforts, re Ken Ham:

     

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5ofFmvOimYiLf6i1

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