Vice Presidential Debate Impressions

Joe Biden accomplished the goals I discussed in my pre-debate post. He accomplished the goal of debunking the arguments from Romney/Ryan and, perhaps more importantly, turned around the enthusiasm gap since last week’s debate.

There were far too many highlights from Biden for me to list in a quick post-event post such as this. Instead I’ll summarize the debate by recapping my Facebook and Twitter comments from during the debate (which could not keep up with everything);

Joe Biden has already done more to stand up to Romney/Ryan lies than Obama did during the entire first debate.

If people think Dick Cheney out-debated John Edwards, this VP debate is even more one-sided.

This debate looks like a guy with years of experience explaining things to an ignorant kid who has no idea what he is talking about.

Smart statesman versus ignorant warmonger.

“I may be mistaken, he changes his mind so often” –Joe Biden referring to Mitt Romney’s position.

Yes Joe, feel free to interrupt when Lyin’ Ryan whenever necessary.

Remember when there was talk of replacing Biden with Hillary Clinton? At the moment I am so happy Obama stuck with Joe.

“Just get out of the way.” –Joe Biden

I’ve never respected Bill Clinton more than on the day of his convention speech, and have never respected Joe Biden more than tonight.

Now the Medicare lie from Ryan.

Tie Ryan to Sarah Palin and death panels. Good move.

Facts vs. Bullshit.

Joe looks and sounds like a president. Ryan looks and sounds like a mutant combination of Richard Nixon and Eddie Munster.

If I was playing a drinking game in which I had a drink every time Joe called out a Ryan lie I’d be unconscious by now.

“Not mathematically possible…It has never been done before…Now you’re Jack Kennedy.”

I can’t keep up with all of Joe’s great points tonight on Facebook and Twitter. (Sadly I didn’t have that problem last week.)

Joe keeps repeating himself–which is exactly what he should be doing to make his point clear to viewers.

Good, another question in which Joe should be able to repeat how Obama got bin Laden. (And he did)

Debating a skilled liar who floods a debate with lie after lie is very difficult. Biden is showing how it is done. (Pay attention Barack)

Why is Eddie Munster so down on America?

“We will leave in 2014.”

I can’t wait to see how Fox spins this as a win for Ryan.

Is everyone having more fun tonight than last Wednesday? Let’s have more fun like this next week.

Less than a half hour to go. I wish this would never end–something I generally never say during a debate (except the first Kerry-Bush debate in 2004)

I bet Ryan wishes he knew actual facts like Joe does.

Biden–I refuse to impose my religion on others, unlike my friend here, the Congressman.

To Ryan freedom of religion means the freedom of the religious right to impose their views on others #abortion #americantaliban

What, no questions about Big Bird?

My favorite tweet of the night:
Oh well that’s perfectly clear now. #PaulRyan is anti-abortion because he once saw a bean. — Cynthia Boaz @cynthiaboaz

Ryan keeps whining about all the attacks upon his ticket (ignoring how dirty Romney’s campaign has been)

The ghost of Ayn Rand just joined Ryan up on the stage. She is very upset about the way he wants to impose his religious views on others and wants to continue the war in Iraq.

Before the debate I thought Biden would greatly beat the expectations most had of him. He then managed to greatly exceed those expectations.

There’s talk that Biden seemed like he was on stimulants. If so, give whatever he took to Obama before the next two debates.

I never took talk of Biden being the candidate in 2016 very seriously, until tonight.

After last week’s debate my dogs were terrified for their future. They feel much better tonight.

Later I’ll have to go thru the full transcript. There were a lot of lines worth fully quoting. Enthusiasm is up among Democrats. After this year, we will probably never hear again that the debates don’t matter.

 

Looking Back At Obama’s Debate And Forward At Biden’s

There have been many attempts to analyze Barack Obama after the first presidential debate. I believe Joe Klein has a fairly accurate description. First he debunked any arguments as to Obama’s ability to speak on the issues:

The President is no dummy; he’s as well versed in the nuances of policy as Bill Clinton, if decidedly less compelling. Watch him in any press conference. Go back and look at his question-and-answer session with House Republicans after the 2010 election. He knows his stuff. But there haven’t been many press conferences–or town meetings, for that matter. His kinder debate critics said he was rusty, which is true, but there’s more to it than that. Obama chooses to be rusty. This is also strange: he’s warm and informal in person. He enjoys a good policy discussion–and I mean discussion, in which he actually responds to things you say or ask rather than speechifying. In my experience, though, he hates small talk, especially flattery, and that gets us closer to the heart of his current troubles.

Klein gave more examples. Even read the transcript of the debate. Obama actually did have the answers to many of Romney’s erroneous statements. The problem is that the delivery was so bad that the message got totally lost. Klein got into why Obama wasn’t into this type of debate:

>When I asked several close Obama associates about the President’s reluctance to sell his policies, they admitted their frustration. They said he hates doing things that he considers transparently political. He hates the idea of inviting a bunch of pols over to the White House for a drink or a movie, because they’d see it as an obvious bribe. He’d have to fake small talk; they’d try to Holbrooke him. He hates press conferences because the gotcha questions are calibrated to generate heat rather than light. He hates the notion of launching precooked zingers in debates. He hates debates, period, with their false air of portent and stage-managed aggression. These are inconvenient prejudices if you want to be re-elected. Such ceremonies are the price of admission if you want to be a politician.

Tonight is Joe Biden’s turn. He might be better suited for this format than Obama is. Biden is far more likely to use simple slogans as opposed to wonkish, professorial explanations which don’t work in this format. “GM is alive and bin Laden is dead.”That is not Obama’s style, but that is what is needed in this type of debate.

Hopefully after the first debate, Biden could get in a few simple points. Debunk the distortion that Obama is cutting Medicare and point out how the Romney/Ryan plan harms Medicare. And yes, that includes many currently on Medicare. Point out how the math is simple when looking at Romney’s tax plan. Either the deficit gets much higher or the middle class pays more in taxes (and probably both). Point out how after Romney claimed his health care plan protects people with pre-existing conditions in the first debate his campaign admitted the following day that the plan did not guarantee such coverage.  Remind women of how Romney would allow the government to interfere in what should be the private decisions of the individual. Plus, for many women the loss of Planned Parenthood is an economic issue as well as a social issue. Remind viewers of how badly Romney messed up when talking with foreign leaders. Bring back the 47 percent and questions as to why Romney won’t release his tax returns.

Should Ryan try to play Romney’s game and deny the positions they have been running on, in addition to pointing this out Biden should also point out how government works. If Romney is president will he really veto extremist policies passed by the Republicans–who have already voted to end Medicare as we know it and increase government intrusion in the lives of individuals? Will Romney appoint Supreme Court justices who support reproductive rights? I doubt it.

Most important of all, a good showing by Biden would get the media to stop repeating the simplistic storyline that Obama lost the debate. The fact remains that, despite a poor presentation, Obama was right on the issues, and the candidate on stage who was most qualified to be president.