Conservative Attempts to Defend Fox and Create a False Equivalency With MSNBC

Along with many other liberal bloggers, I’ve had numerous posts regarding how Fox not only gets the facts wrong on their news shows but outright makes things up to promote their beliefs. In response to members of the Obama administration  pointing out the truth about Fox, conservatives have tried to create a false equivalency between Fox and MSNBC.

To a limited degree the comparison is accurate. The evening shows on MSNBC such as those anchored by Kieth Olbermann and Rachel Maddow should be classified as opinion shows and not objective news shows. It is worth noting that, while which facts to concentrate on are influenced by their political views, the facts presented by Olbermann and Maddow are considerably more accurate than the falsehoods frequently stated by the hosts of the Fox opinion shows. In addition, MSNBC  balances this with a show hosted by conservative Joe Scarborough. Another significant difference is that MSNBC has actual news shows on during the daytime, while the “news” shows on Fox are biased and promote the same falsehoods as on their opinion shows.

Conservatives have come up with a number of absurd arguments to counter the criticism of Fox. Some act as if it is the Obama White House who initiated the attack when it  is Fox which is responsible for this conflict. Fox has even fabricated a story that they were denied the ability to interview an Obama administration official. Conservatives who ignored real violations of civil liberties, and generally ignore everything in the Bill of Rights other than the Second Amendment, make absurd claims of violations of the First Amendment. In reality members of the Obama administration are expressing their own freedom of speech to make observations which are as obvious as that the sky is blue, and are taking no action to limit Fox’s right to express their views. Fox’s viewership has even gone up, showing they are not being harmed. Some have even compared this to Nixon’s enemies list, perhaps oblivious to the differences such as the Nixon administration’s use of tactics such as wire taps and tax audits against their perceived enemies.

With all the false information being spread by Fox, conservatives would love to be able to build a case that Olbermann and Maddow are as inaccurate in their stories as the Fox talking heads. This certainly cannot be done, but conservatives are still trying. Via Memeorandum I found this ridiculous attempt.

There are at least two major problems with the argument against Maddow. First, rather than being wrong in her facts, the same post which attacks Maddow shows that Maddow had a guest on her show which presented the facts. They might not understand why a failure such as George Bush might be mocked for being a motivational speaker, regardless of how many former presidents have done the same, but there is no justification for saying that viewers of Maddow’s show were given false information after she completed her coverage of the story.

It is also rather ridiculous that they would cite something so trivial to falsely question Rachel Maddow’s accuracy considering how Fox has been wrong in their facts on so many major issues in recent years. This includes their falsehoods on what is contained in the health reform bills, their false claims that WMD was present in Iraq at the onset of the war, and their false claims of a connection between Saddam and al Quada.

Update: Keith Olbermann’s response

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    bruno says:

    Another way of looking at it:  Jon Stewart present ‘real’ news in a humorous way; while Fox news presents lies in a somber & ominous way.
    A conservative’s brain reacts more readily when fear is triggered, hence they believe Fox News.  On the other hand, when a conservative listens to Jon Stewart making fun of the news, they assume that it isn’t ‘real’ news, otherwise he wouldn’t be laughing at it.
    After all, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, and the other Fox minions always laugh at liberal ideas, and therefor it ‘has to be’ a joke, and not serious.

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    Lester Sheets says:

    10 a DAY » Conservative Attempts to Defend Fox and Create a False …: Conservatives who ignored real v..

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    silverjingles says:

    10 a DAY » Conservative Attempts to Defend Fox and Create a False …: Conservatives who ignored real v..

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    Ron Chusid says:

    And there’s Stephen Colbert, who many conservatives take seriously.

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    Eclectic Radical says:

    It’s also worth noting that Maddow’s show is billed as an opinion show and makes no claim to ‘deliver the news’ in the manner that Glenn Beck or Bill O’Riley claim to somehow be legitimate journalists. Nor, I imagine, does the Obama Administration consider her show a news show. There is certainly no pretense of a ‘No Spin Zone’ on Maddow or Olbermann’s shows.

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    Jake says:

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    Jake Moore says:

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    patrickryann says:

    PLease got to 

    Fox “News” having President Obama in White Face.

    Fair and Balanced? Since when is overt racism balanced? lol


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    Franklin D says:

    Funny..Fox gets ridiculed for having conservative shows that actually have opposing points of view…Olbermann has never done that.  He simply gets ‘yes’ men on his show.

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    Franklin D says:

    Keep giving Fox the publicity.  Ratings keep going through the roof.  Thanks!!

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    Ron Chusid says:

    No, they just go through the motions of having opposing points of view. See David Corn’s description which I posted here recently.

    So you admit their ratings are going up in response to all of this (which would be the expected outcome). So much for all the crying from the right that Fox is being persecuted. In a weird way, both sides are actually benefiting from this dispute.

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