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		<title>By: &#187; Accusations of Violence By Occupy Wall Street Demonstrate Differences Between Left and Right Liberal Values</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Accusations of Violence By Occupy Wall Street Demonstrate Differences Between Left and Right Liberal Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from those who promote violence. We saw this in the reaction of conservative bloggers to a report from the Department of Homeland Security on far right extremists. We were reminded of  the frequent use of violent rhetoric by the conservative movement  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Extremism of Current Conservative Movement Contributes To Acts Of Violence Liberal Values</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Extremism of Current Conservative Movement Contributes To Acts Of Violence Liberal Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Department of Homeland Security released a report about the danger of right wing violence in 2009, many conservatives saw this as an attack on them as opposed to showing concern for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: White Supremacist Kills Guard At U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Supremacist Kills Guard At U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when conservative bloggers got all upset about the Obama administration declassifying a report on right wing terrorism earlier this year? They got all upset about right wing terrorism being raised as an issue of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin and Other Conservatives Condemn Right Wing Terrorist Act - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin and Other Conservatives Condemn Right Wing Terrorist Act - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] absurd arguments has been that this coverage given to right wing terrorism somehow justifies the bizarre reaction on the right to the report from the Department of Homeland Security on right wing terrorism. This act actually [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Skyi</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/2009/04/14/conservative-bloggers-now-identifying-with-far-right-extremists/comment-page-1/#comment-214909</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Skyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Birds with One Stone.

Cato.org has little sympathy for conservatives (are there any left in America?) who are &quot;outraged&quot; by this report, but not because conservative concerns are unwarranted:


Obama&#039;s Justice Department has fought to retain most of the Bush-era powers governing enemy combatants and surveillance. They&#039;ve embraced the Bush-Cheney position that the State Secrets Privilege bars the courthouse door to litigants who claim they&#039;ve been harmed by warrantless wiretapping.
Worse, according to constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald, the Obama DOJ has gone even further than the Bush team, arguing that &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10153&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all claims of illegal government surveillance are immunized in the absence of &#039;willful disclosure&#039; to the public of the intercepted communications&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; (This means &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/06/obama/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the government now cannot be sued unless the results of an illegal  surveillance are made public&lt;/a&gt;).
&lt;strong&gt;Conservatives who recently screamed bloody murder over a DHS report targeting &quot;right-wing extremists&quot; (including pro-lifers and gun enthusiasts) ought to ask themselves if it was such a good idea to have fought relentlessly to expand federal wiretapping powers over the last eight years.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Birds with One Stone.</p>
<p>Cato.org has little sympathy for conservatives (are there any left in America?) who are &#8220;outraged&#8221; by this report, but not because conservative concerns are unwarranted:</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s Justice Department has fought to retain most of the Bush-era powers governing enemy combatants and surveillance. They&#8217;ve embraced the Bush-Cheney position that the State Secrets Privilege bars the courthouse door to litigants who claim they&#8217;ve been harmed by warrantless wiretapping.<br />
Worse, according to constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald, the Obama DOJ has gone even further than the Bush team, arguing that &#8220;<a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10153" rel="nofollow">all claims of illegal government surveillance are immunized in the absence of &#8216;willful disclosure&#8217; to the public of the intercepted communications</a>.&#8221; (This means <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/06/obama/" rel="nofollow">the government now cannot be sued unless the results of an illegal  surveillance are made public</a>).<br />
<strong>Conservatives who recently screamed bloody murder over a DHS report targeting &#8220;right-wing extremists&#8221; (including pro-lifers and gun enthusiasts) ought to ask themselves if it was such a good idea to have fought relentlessly to expand federal wiretapping powers over the last eight years.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Moore Law Center Files Suit Over Imagined Attacks On Right - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Moore Law Center Files Suit Over Imagined Attacks On Right - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to fuel their conspiracy theories that Obama wants to suppress conservative speech based upon a report on right wing extremism that was declassified by the Department of Homeland Security. They ignored the facts that 1) the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; A very special thank you note&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; A very special thank you note&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abuses Under FISA Regulations Revealed - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abuses Under FISA Regulations Revealed - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] violations under Bush, they have been distorting a report on right wing extremism (discussed here and here) to raise bogus civil liberties concerns regarding the Obama administration. It is also [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://liberalvaluesblog.com/2009/04/14/conservative-bloggers-now-identifying-with-far-right-extremists/comment-page-1/#comment-214433</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These claims about veterans are a distortion of what the report actually says. (Even &lt;em&gt;Little Green Footballs&lt;/em&gt; has been &lt;a href=&quot;?p=7942&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chastising conservatives for such distortions&lt;/a&gt;). The report does not treat discourse as &quot;potentially subversive activity.&quot; It is clearly concerned with those who practice violence, not with discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These claims about veterans are a distortion of what the report actually says. (Even <em>Little Green Footballs</em> has been <a href="?p=7942" rel="nofollow">chastising conservatives for such distortions</a>). The report does not treat discourse as &#8220;potentially subversive activity.&#8221; It is clearly concerned with those who practice violence, not with discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Skyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Skyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hummm . . . it comes real close to crossing a line, and I think people sense that, and it&#039;s not just that footnote.

As you know, Bush et al. increased domestic surveillance and wiretaps -- perhaps not to an unprecedented degree, but the increase was significant.  

What does surveillance, privacy, and freedom of speech have to do with this report?  Rep. Bennie G. Thompson pointed out the connection in this AP report:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The top House Democrat overseeing the Department of Homeland Security is demanding that officials there explain how and why they wrote and released a controversial report identifying veterans as potential terrorist threats.
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was “dumbfounded” such a report would be issued.
“This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans — including war veterans,” Mr. Thompson said in the letter sent Tuesday.
“As I am certain you agree, freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans — whether a person’s beliefs, whatever their political orientation, are ‘extremist’ or not,” Mr. Thompson said.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Apparently, at the end of the report, the DHS has planned, with law enforcement officials, to monitor legitimate public political activity.  Thompson said he was “particularly struck” by this statement.  

I don&#039;t know law, but this seems a violation of the presumption of innocence.   The danger, the slippy slope, is that it brings the  government uncomfortably close to treating political discourse as a potentially subversive activity.  I think this is what &quot;struck&quot;  Thompson. 

I think anyone, on the right or left, concerned with the encroachment  on privacy and increased govt. surveillance would be -- and should be -- concerned with such a statement. 

Thompson&#039;s a liberal al in every sense of the word.  If he&#039;s worried -- I&#039;m worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hummm . . . it comes real close to crossing a line, and I think people sense that, and it&#8217;s not just that footnote.</p>
<p>As you know, Bush et al. increased domestic surveillance and wiretaps &#8212; perhaps not to an unprecedented degree, but the increase was significant.  </p>
<p>What does surveillance, privacy, and freedom of speech have to do with this report?  Rep. Bennie G. Thompson pointed out the connection in this AP report:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The top House Democrat overseeing the Department of Homeland Security is demanding that officials there explain how and why they wrote and released a controversial report identifying veterans as potential terrorist threats.<br />
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was “dumbfounded” such a report would be issued.<br />
“This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans — including war veterans,” Mr. Thompson said in the letter sent Tuesday.<br />
“As I am certain you agree, freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans — whether a person’s beliefs, whatever their political orientation, are ‘extremist’ or not,” Mr. Thompson said.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently, at the end of the report, the DHS has planned, with law enforcement officials, to monitor legitimate public political activity.  Thompson said he was “particularly struck” by this statement.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know law, but this seems a violation of the presumption of innocence.   The danger, the slippy slope, is that it brings the  government uncomfortably close to treating political discourse as a potentially subversive activity.  I think this is what &#8220;struck&#8221;  Thompson. </p>
<p>I think anyone, on the right or left, concerned with the encroachment  on privacy and increased govt. surveillance would be &#8212; and should be &#8212; concerned with such a statement. </p>
<p>Thompson&#8217;s a liberal al in every sense of the word.  If he&#8217;s worried &#8212; I&#8217;m worried.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Napolitano Responds To Conservative Paranoia About DHS Report - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Napolitano Responds To Conservative Paranoia About DHS Report - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yesterday I posted about a report from The Department of Homeland Security on the risk of right wing extremism. Many conservative bloggers, who were not the subject of this report, grossly misrepresented the contents of the report to support the common conservative meme that they are some sort of victims. Many of them also buy into the paranoid  conspiracy theories spread by fanatics  such as Glenn Beck and other right wingers who are out of touch with reality. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yesterday I posted about a report from The Department of Homeland Security on the risk of right wing extremism. Many conservative bloggers, who were not the subject of this report, grossly misrepresented the contents of the report to support the common conservative meme that they are some sort of victims. Many of them also buy into the paranoid  conspiracy theories spread by fanatics  such as Glenn Beck and other right wingers who are out of touch with reality. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

That footnote is being taken as having a meaning far different from what it actually says. It &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt; say that everyone who supports federalism or is upset about taxes is considered a potentially dangerous extremist. It is speaking of the extremists who outright reject federal authority or who reject all government authority. It doesn&#039;&#039;t even mention taxes. 

The real purpose of the footnote is to point out that rightwing extremism can broadly be divided into two groups, those which are primarily hate groups and those which are primarily based upon opposition to government authority. 

Those who are concerned about this document are claiming it says things which are quite different from what it actually does say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>That footnote is being taken as having a meaning far different from what it actually says. It <strong>does not</strong> say that everyone who supports federalism or is upset about taxes is considered a potentially dangerous extremist. It is speaking of the extremists who outright reject federal authority or who reject all government authority. It doesn&#8221;t even mention taxes. </p>
<p>The real purpose of the footnote is to point out that rightwing extremism can broadly be divided into two groups, those which are primarily hate groups and those which are primarily based upon opposition to government authority. </p>
<p>Those who are concerned about this document are claiming it says things which are quite different from what it actually does say.</p>
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		<title>By: nomoreGOP</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomoreGOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE IT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE IT</p>
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		<title>By: nomoreGOP</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomoreGOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malicious Malkin reminds me of the person who will always blame other/feel persecuted and is always soooo predictable.

&quot;Malicious Malkin&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malicious Malkin reminds me of the person who will always blame other/feel persecuted and is always soooo predictable.</p>
<p>&#8220;Malicious Malkin&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Skyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Skyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I read the report.
 It is very interesting that the conservatives are that paranoid/delusional in ASSuming this report is about them.
 It appears this is yet another attempt to blame democrats/Pres. Obama and inflame the base.
 The report clearly talks about the extremist groups, White Supremacists, Oklahoma City and other group.&quot;

Diane -- I think you&#039;re correct that the report wasn&#039;t aimed at the conservative mind set (at least I hope not!), but it appears it was a sloppy piece of work, especially the footnote that defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

Taken at face value, it says that everyone supportive of federalism and/or upset about taxes, etc., is now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;considered &lt;/a&gt;a potentially dangerous “rightwing extremist” by Homeland Security.

 The Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis really should elaborate on that rather than leave it hanging in a footnote . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I read the report.<br />
 It is very interesting that the conservatives are that paranoid/delusional in ASSuming this report is about them.<br />
 It appears this is yet another attempt to blame democrats/Pres. Obama and inflame the base.<br />
 The report clearly talks about the extremist groups, White Supremacists, Oklahoma City and other group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Diane &#8212; I think you&#8217;re correct that the report wasn&#8217;t aimed at the conservative mind set (at least I hope not!), but it appears it was a sloppy piece of work, especially the footnote that defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.</p>
<p>Taken at face value, it says that everyone supportive of federalism and/or upset about taxes, etc., is now <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/" rel="nofollow">considered </a>a potentially dangerous “rightwing extremist” by Homeland Security.</p>
<p> The Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis really should elaborate on that rather than leave it hanging in a footnote . . .</p>
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