Yes, but you are not providing that. Twisting my statements to attribute views to me I do not hold and have not expressed is hardly meaningful debate. You have yet to make a single coherent point.

“Once America has forced religion from its shores”

You just verify one point I made in the post about conservative propagandists making such false claims. Liberals are not trying to force religion out, or to impose moral view on others. We respect freedom of religion as guaranteed by the Founding Fathers. Matters of religion should be left up to the individual and should not be forced upon them by the state.

As I pointed out in discussing the problem with labels, the comments on conservatives obviously do not apply to all. It is a generic conservative position based upon the policies being promoted by the Republicans (which not all conservatives support) and the typical attacks on liberals from conservative politicians, pundits, and bloggers. In your case, I believe you are offended because my negative description of conservatism hits too close to home.

Once America has forced religion from its shores then you will have NO opposition to your agenda and can turn to a secular America and have a hootnaney of amoral activity.

Sorry to have intruded upon your world. I will leave you to your ignorant bliss. oh and ignorant is defined as “lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified” or in this case Conservatives.

It is many conservatives, not liberals, who reject science, including evolution, geology (where it disagrees with the bible as to the age of the earth), cosmology, and climate change. Yes, it is a fact that liberals are more likely to respect science and be reality based, while many conservatives are not.

Again, the point of the post is to describe the differences in views, not to try to convince anyone of anything. You have also twisted many of my comments claiming I have said things I have not, which shows how you and conservatives differ from what I am writing here as I avoid stooping to your level.

This is a good one.

Liberals are smart educated and well informed and able to make intelligent, rational decisions based upon the facts. Conservatives on the other hand are incapable of making informed decisions because they reject scientific evidence because they are rooted in a philosophy that predates Noahs ark. Their world is skewed by hogwash called religion and any decision they make is flawed from the very beginning.

But only conservative religious values. Those religious values on the left are enlightened and responsive to the needs of its people with care and compassion and scientific reasoning and we do not let the bible get in the way of our enlightened views. We talk to God all the time and have finally convinced him that God himself is a Liberal.

Those conservative religious fanatics who believe the bible for what it says are not enlightend, are bigoted, homophobes and surely have no place in modern society. They should be irradicated from our society as pariahs and relegated to the scrap heap of history as inconsequential and out of touch with reality.

Im sure that this is designed win over the conservatives to your etched in stone FACTS of the situtation.

And this is a good thing???

You want to continually stoop to the oppositions level.

The conservative posts I’ve responded to concentrate heavily on distortng liberal positions, and did far less than I did in laying out an alternative.

If they can do it so can I.

This is essentially the third in a series of posts on this topic. The conservative posts I’ve responded to concentrate heavily on distortng liberal positions, and did far less than I did in laying out an alternative.

Conservative articles, even beyond those I was responding to, regularly and unfairly attack liberals, often with little else to say. Yet people like you expect us to roll over and take it all, without responding or presenting the truth.

By any reasonable standatd, the current policies of the Republican Parrty are reactionary, and I’m not going to shy away from pointing that out. Anyone who does not realize that has too little undderstanding of the American traditions of liberty, democracy, and free enterprise to change their views based upon anything I wrote and I’m not making any attempt to do so.

During the past few years there was considerable unity among those of us with a wide variety of beliefs in opposing the REACTIONARY POLICIES of the Republican Party.

This concept is a universal point of contention and is a trigger for angry discussion between conservatives and liberals. So your post was in my opinion intended to ruffle feathers, talk down to conservatives while using distortions of the truth to convince us that Republicans and thus conservatives are Reactionary politicians and that their beliefs have no merits.

It is why I said that once you resorted to bashing conservatives to support your position then the paper is just destined for the dust bin.

Is not the point of writing to convince others who do not share your view to share your view? To convince, to sway, to bring them you your reasonable viewpoint?

This is the point I was trying to make with you. You have fine writing skills and an ability to communicate your views. Unfortunately you are not communicating. You are Pontificating.

Big difference and destined to get the reaction that I suspect you wanted. Make Conservatives angry and assuage liberals. If I am correct then good job. This article will succeed in doing that.

Any description of liberalism or conservativism will contrast that view with the opposing viewpoint. The two posts I link to which define conservativism both claim to define what liberalism is. Not only do the conservative articles concentrate on defining liberalism as opposed to presenting a coherent philosophy of their own, they define it in a totally inaccurate manner.

The question of the definition of liberalism is tremendously influenced by the mischaracterizations spread by conservative propagandists, and pointing this out is part of clarifying the issue, and presenting a reality-based outlook.

Typical of a conservative, you launch an attack when the assumptions underlying your beliefs are criticized, but you can offer no meaningful counter arguments.

You wrote:

liberals are united in opposing the violations of civil liberties seen under the Republicans who believe that the Bill of Rights is limited to the Second Amendment

Liberals oppose both socialism and the system of government/corporate collusion promoted by conservatives, and I see neither as capitalist system.

This is not an anti-religion viewpoint as the propagandists of the right would claim

Liberals have a reality-based viewpoint, where conservatives view the world biased by ideology and their religious beliefs.

This failure to accept a reality-based outlook also intrudes upon politics, with many conservatives continuing to claim that Saddam threatened us with WMD and had ties to 9/11. These views are largely fed by conservatives obtaining their information from propaganda outfits of the right,

This is not how you write a position paper by attacking another’s position. The very propaganda you accuse the right of using is exactly the rubbish you just penned above.

To use your own words.

This failure to accept a reality-based outlook also intrudes upon politics