Republican Children and the Fertility Gap

Last year there were stories on the fertility gap, warning that conservatives would outnumber liberals in the future since conservatives typically have more children than liberals. Despite the data supporting this data, I had little fear, feeling confident that humanity would move forward as historically “the overall trend has been for liberty to win out over tyranny and reason to be victorious over superstition.”

While not intended as commentary on the fertility gap, an article in Newsweek provides grounds for hope. The children of prominent Republicans are leaving the party and considering voting Democratic. That really isn’t surprising considering that today’s Republican party is far to the right of the party of their parents. While I could detail the ideological differences, the real difference, as The Moderate Voice points out, is that the party has abandoned principle for “a kind of new Republicanism where loyalty to the party’s leader (and adjusting and if necessary discarding previous beliefs as he adjusts them and a group of loyal talk show hosts help keep the troops intellectually in line) and to gaining and retaining power is the key goal.”

Seeing the children of Republican leaders abandon the party is just one of many stories about Republicans who do not support the far right beliefs and authoritarian tendencies of the current Republican leadership. Just recently there have been similar stories about New Hampshire residents and Lee Iacocca. I’m sure we’ll see similar stories about many other groups as Republican support increasingly becomes limited to the south and handfuls of fanatics elsewhere.

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    superdestroyer says:

    But the question that you should be raising is how will the U.S. function as a one party state. Will the country function like Mass. or Maryland where the only meaningful elecitons are the Democratic primary?

    Isn’t the advantage of the Democratic Party is that it can function with factions that have opposite views on issues as long as each faction gets its portion of the government programs?

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    Ron Chusid says:

    I’ve commented before on the problems caused by the lack of a party which offers a meaningful alternative. However your descripation of the Democratic Party is rather out of date, ignoring the changes as the Democrats are becoming the only party with a realistic worldview and the ability to govern effectively.

    I also don’t believe that becoming a one party govenment is realistic. Just two years ago Republicans spoke of their own permanent majority. The Repubicans appeared to be in serious trouble after Hoover and after Nixon.

    In the short run, Democrats will be constrained in the Senate if no where else as, barring a total collapse of the GOP, it is hard for one party to get sixty votes which is needed for total control. Long term, either the Republicans will refrorm or will be replaced by another party. In the unlikely event that the real elections are Democratic primaries alone, they will not be the same as primaries in the past. The collopse of the GOP has also resulted in more professionals, small businessmen, and others backing the Democrats as the Republicans no longer offer a viable option. Democratic primaries would offer more meaningful choices in they were the only party, and the greater variety of views in the Democratic Party would lead to different factions in the party acting comparble to different parties.

    What we are hopefully seeing long term is not the collapse of the two party system but the collapse of the conservative movement. As the conservative movement has degenerated from a movement supporting liberty and capitalism to one supporting authoritarianism, state Corporatism, and a reckless foreign policy which undermines our foreign policy, the collapse of the conservative movement will ultimately lead to a stronger two party system where we can once again have meaningful choices.

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    Ron Chusid says:

    The weakening of the GOP’s grasp on government is also doing more to help strengthen the two party system and giving choice where there was only one party in the past. Many Western states, which previously only had one viable party, are now going Democratic, with voters having a choice of two parties. Even in Kansas, moderates have split from the GOP and have joined the Democrats to offer voters there a choice. This helped in throwing out the right wing school board which supported teaching creationism in the schools. If current trends continue, a choice of two parties may even be extended to the south, where the GOP stanglehold is of far more concern that the Democratic majorities in some eastern states.

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    superdestroyer says:

    Ron,

    You should look at the scenerios. If there is only one party, you had better be in the majority in that one party. When the Democrats become the only party, moderates like Webb become irrelevent because there is nothing on the right of them to replace them. Look at the states like DC that are currently one party states. Politics solve nothing and the primaries leave little for the voter to decide. Also, many issues are never resolved because the factions of the majority never want them solved.

    I find it odd that you claim that the party of Detroit, Baltimore, DC, LA etc is now claiming that it can govern well. The real world disagrees.

    The most likely scenerio is that in the future, the only meaningful elections will be to replace an incumbent who is dead or retiring. Also, corruption will probably increase (see NJ or Mass.).

    If you are going to invoke Evolution with Republicans in control I guess in the future the only thing the children of Kansas will learn about Thomas Jefferson is that he was a slaveholder.

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    Ron Chusid says:

    You must be a Republican with your immediate reliance on distorting what is said–one reason we are best off with the current Republicans being replaced by a sane party. No where do I claim that Detroit, Baltimore, DC, LA, etc are governed well as you claim. The problems you are speaking of are the problems of big cities which is a totally different subject. These problems were present even when the Republicans were the dominant party nationally.

    Where party differences have mattered has been in the Congress and the White House where Republicans have shown an inability to govern. A two party system is rather meaningless when one party is as incompetent and corrupt as the Republicans have been since they controlled Congress and the White House.

    It is the realignment of the parties which has been underway in recent years which is responsible for people like Webb having a major role in the Democratic Party. As the Republicans move to the far right, the Democrats become a bigger tent, representing both non-extremist conservatives as well as moderates and liberals.

    The problem is a dysfunctional two party system where one party is too extreme to be considered by many which leads to problems such as meaningless elections. Once the conservative movement’s hold on the Republicans is ended, or the Republicans are replaced by another party if they continue their present course, we will have a greater chance at more meaningful elections.

    That sure is a bizarre way in which you characterize education under Democrats. It is the Republcans, not Democrats, who play such games with education.

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    superdestroyer says:

    ron,

    NIce buck on the big cities. You might want to look up the dominate polliticalparties in those large cities. They are all controled by the Democratic party and they are all poorly run with incompetent, corrupt leadership. To claim that only Republicans are extreme, incompetent, and corrupt is to deny the current existing leadership for many of the largest cities in the United States. Just look at New Orleans to see how poorly Democrats can run things.

    If you believe that I am exaggerating about Democrat run school just look at how the schools in DC (the bluest city in America) perform. To you really think that the blue collar whites in Kansas want their schools to become like those in LA, NYC, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, DC, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc? A recent study pointed out that of all of the entering freshmen in the LSUSC, only three percent will never score more than 1000 on the SAT test. If that what the rest of the country has to look forward to with one party rule?

    If you lok at states that are dominated by Democrats like Maryland there is no room in the Democratic tent for people like Webb. They come from states is a functioning two party system. If you want to see the total lack of options for voters just look at places like Chicago or DC where the general elections are not even covered by the media because all of the elections are already decided.

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    Ron Chusid says:

    Your analysis of the big cities is quite simplistic in blaming the problems on the Democrats. Even if there was some validity to this, it does not support your overall argument. The cities which are under one-party control have been like this for ages and this is irrelevant to the realignment in the parties being seen on a national level.

    You still fail to take into account the effects on the Democratic Party as an increased number of independents and non-extremeist Republicans join the party.

    Getting back to your initial desire for a stronger two party system, our best hopes to accomplish this would be for the Republicans to become a viable party nationally again. The current situation is resulting in an increased number of areas in which.only one party dominates. This will be the case as long as the Republican Party remains under the control of extremists and appeals to only a portion of the country. Our best hope for a real two party system would be for the desctruction of the Repubican Party as it is currenlty structured to either give others a chance to take control, or for a real alternative to develop. The current Republican Party does not provide a meaningful alternative for a growing part of the country.

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    Nick says:

    I am a Marylander. Maryland voted Republican almost as many times as it voted Democratic from 1948-1988, it also just had a GOP governor. I am a Maryland Democrat who has talked to many Maryland Democrats and have yet to find a single one that would did not welcome the Webb victory with great approval or that thought ill of Jim Webb in any way.

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    Ron Chusid says:

    Nick,

    You are talking about the real Maryland and real Democrats. Superdestroyer is talking about imaginary Maryland and imaginary Democrats. It’s all part of the imaginary world Republicans inhabit. That’s the imaginary world where Saddam threatened us with WMD before the war, the Swift Boat Liars are anything other than a pack of paid partisan liars, intelligent design is a valid alternative to evolution, and virtually every scientist in the field is wrong about global warming.

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    Sarah says:

    National Center for the Study of Privatization in Education study:

    “Findings reveal that demographic differences between students in public and private schools account for the relatively high raw scores of private schools on the NAEP. Indeed, after controlling for these differences, public school students generally score better than their private school peers…..Conservative Christian schools, the fastest growing private school sector, are the lowest performing private schools.”

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