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	<title>Comments on: 24 Examines Constitutional Issues, Upsetting Conservatives</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; SciFi Weekend: Disney Buys Marvel; Fantastic Four Reboot; Jack Bauer on Health Care Reform Liberal Values</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; SciFi Weekend: Disney Buys Marvel; Fantastic Four Reboot; Jack Bauer on Health Care Reform Liberal Values</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] often cite Jack Bauer and 24 as if they were real sources to justify terrorism. It is a shame that instead they don&#8217;t quote Jack Bauer&#8217;s views on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is 24 Liberal, Conservative, or Schizophrenic? - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kevin Drum asks if 24 is liberal or conservative. This is an issue I’ve looked at many times, including here, here, and here. As Kevin notes, “24 is a conservative Disneyland” for its positive portrayal of torture, as well as for seting an atmosphere of perpetual warfare against terrorism. However there have been many other elements which might appeal to liberals, including David Palmer’s fights against cosnervative members of his administration, the downfall of the Nixonian President Charles Logan, and the consideration of civil liberties this season. Kevin ends with, “So is 24 liberal or conservative? Schizophrenic, I’d say.” It’s not schizophrenic. It is network television. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kevin Drum asks if 24 is liberal or conservative. This is an issue I’ve looked at many times, including here, here, and here. As Kevin notes, “24 is a conservative Disneyland” for its positive portrayal of torture, as well as for seting an atmosphere of perpetual warfare against terrorism. However there have been many other elements which might appeal to liberals, including David Palmer’s fights against cosnervative members of his administration, the downfall of the Nixonian President Charles Logan, and the consideration of civil liberties this season. Kevin ends with, “So is 24 liberal or conservative? Schizophrenic, I’d say.” It’s not schizophrenic. It is network television. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SciFi Friday: Battlestar Galactica and 24 - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We&#8217;ve subsequently seen the failure in making a conservative version of The Daily Show. The effects of 24 in promoting conservative ideas have been mixed as other ideas have been brought into the show in order to attract a larger audience (previously discussed here). There has been considerable criticism of the unrealistic manner in which torture is portrayed. On 24 torture works within minutes to fit into the format of the show, while in reality it might take weeks to break a person, and even then it is questionable how reliable their information will be. On 24 torture is performed during ticking bomb scenarios in which it is hard to object to doing anything possible, but such scenarios do not represent the situation at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. The situations on 24 also make viewers more accepting of torture as in many cases we have already seen evidence that the victim is hiding information which could lead to the deaths of a large number of people. In real life we do not have such confirmation of either the guilt of the victim or that they are hiding useful information. The producers have more recently announced plans to tone down the torture while denying this is in response to the objections raised.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidMoonbats on Evolution Part II: It is All a Jewish Plot - February 16th, 2007Deepak Chopra Embraces the Bogus - February 16th, 2007Support Grows For Gore - February 16th, 2007Hit By An Insurance Scam - February 16th, 2007Libertarians And The Abandoment of George Bush - February 15th, 2007 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&#8217;ve subsequently seen the failure in making a conservative version of The Daily Show. The effects of 24 in promoting conservative ideas have been mixed as other ideas have been brought into the show in order to attract a larger audience (previously discussed here). There has been considerable criticism of the unrealistic manner in which torture is portrayed. On 24 torture works within minutes to fit into the format of the show, while in reality it might take weeks to break a person, and even then it is questionable how reliable their information will be. On 24 torture is performed during ticking bomb scenarios in which it is hard to object to doing anything possible, but such scenarios do not represent the situation at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. The situations on 24 also make viewers more accepting of torture as in many cases we have already seen evidence that the victim is hiding information which could lead to the deaths of a large number of people. In real life we do not have such confirmation of either the guilt of the victim or that they are hiding useful information. The producers have more recently announced plans to tone down the torture while denying this is in response to the objections raised.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidMoonbats on Evolution Part II: It is All a Jewish Plot &#8211; February 16th, 2007Deepak Chopra Embraces the Bogus &#8211; February 16th, 2007Support Grows For Gore &#8211; February 16th, 2007Hit By An Insurance Scam &#8211; February 16th, 2007Libertarians And The Abandoment of George Bush &#8211; February 15th, 2007 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SciFi Friday: Get a Kiss from Jessica Alba or Seven of Nine - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>SciFi Friday: Get a Kiss from Jessica Alba or Seven of Nine - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We know who was behind the bombing on 24, but unfortuantely what was supposed to be a surprising end of the opening four hours had leaked out. By the time the suitcase nuclear device exploded it was expected, especially considering that we knew that both the device would be ready just as the episode ended and an attack was imminent. Exploding the bomb while under attack was the obvious conclusion for the episode to increase interest going into the regular weekly episodes. Earlier in the week I looked at the politics of 24.  Written by Ron ChusidLast 5 posts by Ron ChusidAuthoritarian Right Will Say Anything To Claim Democrats Are Unpatriotic - January 19th, 2007Colbert and O&#039;Reilly Meet Twice - January 19th, 2007Retired Generals Oppose Bush&#039;s Surge - January 18th, 2007Even Fox Can&#039;t Spin Lack of Support For Bush - January 18th, 2007Harris vs. Sullivan on Religion - January 18th, 2007 [...]</description>
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